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[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

-Moves goalposts the entire time and refuses to admit that the US has power over the people of South Korea

-baselessly claims I'm a liar for touching grass and talking to people who have been directly impacted by what I'm talking about

Lol

[–] crackajack@reddthat.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In what way does US pressure South Korea not to acquire wartime control of their military?

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Building dependency, by which the US maintains an important foothold on East Asian soil.

[–] crackajack@reddthat.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And what are precise mechanisms by which the US achieves that over South Korea?

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By providing aid and by engineering the ROK during its founding. Pretty simple stuff.

[–] crackajack@reddthat.com -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We're talking about South Korea not having wartime control of the army right now, not during the founding.

How is US pressuring South Korea not to have wartime control of their army, right now?

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you legitimately trying to argue that history has no bearing on current conditions? Lmao.

[–] crackajack@reddthat.com -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're dodging now. South Korea isn't there same dictatorship now as it once was and had multiple, multiparty governments, all of which elected democratically since 1980s.

The US has had peactime control of the Korean military until unilaterally given the peacetime control to ROK in 1994. In 2000's, they have had discussions then for ROK to also have wartime control of the army, but then delayed due to North Korean posturing. This has been delayed yet again in 2015. If you read the article I linked or know the actual history, you would know that. So now, why is there still delay and why do you think US pressure has to do with it? How is the US doing this, even though in 2015 the Obama administration has gotten frustrated with the delay?

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The ROK was built by the US, and modeled as they saw fit. You're making the same argument that the US constitution doesn't impact modern American life, because George Washington is dead. That's a fallacy, it hasn't been restructured in any meaningful capacity.

Yes, the ROK has peacetime control. They don't have wartime control, despite posturing. The US still keeps the ROK on a leash, and is waiting for the time when they don't even need to directly control the ROK as they will be subservient regardless.

You really love Imperialism, I guess.

[–] crackajack@reddthat.com -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The ROK army is modeled after US military, and so is the Philippine army whose government has full control. But those have nothing to do with the question you still have not answered. How is being modeled after the US army applying pressure to South Korea to not acquire wartime control right now?

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I literally gave the KCIA as an example, the ROK itself is designed by the US.

You're clearly not interested in answering honestly or directly, just dodging and justifying Imperialism, rather than sovereignty.

[–] crackajack@reddthat.com -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's like saying US is French stooge because the French trained Americans with their system during the American Revolution, and despite fighting the French shortly after in the Quasi War.

You still have not answered on what possibly the precise mechanism by which US manipulate ROK. For the sake of the argument that a system being modeled after another country's is sign of being pressured, how does this explain ROK's stalling to have wartime control of their army, while the US has expressed frustration with the delay?