I used to think the liberals are "left" because of the Americam mainstream media (by intentionally muddying political terms) interchange liberal between left. But thanks to Philosophy Tube's beginner's video explaining what it means, now I know better.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I think it's a very nuanced position but I still defend that it's center left. Economically conservative I'm assuming means pro capitalist.

I support cooperatives and changing laws to fix how people are allowed to invest in the market. I don't see why those things are not left.

Look at Mondragon Spain as one example of a proven successful example. Like historically successful. They changed how corporations are controlled after WWII and have proven successfully it works.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

Cooperatives are neither left nor right. They do not fundamentally change property relations, in that they are based on private property and petite bourgeois class relations. Cooperatives can be part of early socialism, like Huawei in the PRC or the agricultural sectors in the USSR and PRC, or they can be a part of capitalist systems like Mondragon in Spain. At best, they could be considered quasi-socialist.

The reason why "fixing laws about investing" isn't really "left" is because it doesn't alter the base mode of production of society. It keeps capitalism intact, it just tweaks how you interact with it. This makes it less right wing than, say, Nazi Germany, but it doesn't make it left, either.