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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 52 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

Democrats

  • Retain marriage rights for gay couples.

  • Expand legality of recreational drugs.

  • Free food for schoolchildren.

  • Tax credits for families with children.

  • Subsidized for free childcare.

  • Expand electric car charging nationally.

  • Subsidize sustainable fuel sources.

  • Fact based education standards.

  • Stop racism in policing.

  • Expanded healthcare subsidies.

  • Preserve democracy.

Republicans

  • Being gay or trans should be illegal.

  • White supremacy is great!

  • Christianity as national religion.

  • Privatize the post office and weather service.

*Eliminate the EPA, Department of Education.

  • Defund IRS.

  • Disenfranchise nonwhites and women.

  • Antivax agenda.

  • Expand fossil fuel use.

  • Eliminate worker safety laws.

  • Eliminate collective bargaining and union rights.

  • Defunding science research.

  • Deregulate crypto.

  • No regulations on AI.

  • No recognition of child's educational or bodily autonomy rights.

  • Eliminate hate crime laws except for straight white men.

  • End democracy, install fascist dictatorship.

But yeah, they are totally the same, right guys? RIGHT!?!

[–] TrippyFocus@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Fact based education standards.

Teaching a bunch of lies about American exceptionalism and how imperialism is actually good isn’t what I’d call “fact based”

Stop racism in policing

Right like how democrats in nearly all major cities increased police funding and almost none passed any meaningful reform.

Expanded healthcare subsidies

But don’t remotely consider universal healthcare

Preserve democracy

Preserve the status quo which I wouldn’t call a democracy. A democracy enacts the will of the people, democrats don’t even have a democratic primary for their own party.

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[–] piefood@feddit.online 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (10 children)

I think you dropped this:

Democrats & Republicans

  • Bombed kids
  • Tortured innocent people
  • Increased the surveillance state
  • Took money from the poor and working class, and gave it to their rich friends
  • Spent billions on wars, while claiming that they couldn't afford to fix our healthcare or housing problems
  • Boasted about deporting more people than Republicans
  • Backed a Genocide
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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

You've certainly whitewashed Dems quite a lot. You're fundamentally not wrong though. As bad as the Dems are, and they are very bad, MAGA is undeniably worse. If we had some other electoral system, we could safely explore other options. But we don't. We have FPTP, which makes it a binary choice between bad and worse.

And worse is just so, so much worse. That doesn't make bad good, but it's still a binary choice. You'd have to be evil or stupid to try to muddy the waters so that bad seems close enough to worse that people don't feel the urgency of choosing bad to prevent worse.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The lesser evil choice is whichever hastens the collapse of your monstrous, genocidal empire

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Dems can be convinced to try other election systems besides FPTP because they fundamentally believe in democracy. From my perspective, fixing things without violence is still an option with Dems. It isn't with Republicans.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 weeks ago

because they fundamentally believe in democracy.

Westerners will go on and on about how North Koreans are brainwashed to worship their leaders, then say shit like this.

fixing things without violence

Apparently doing the modern holocaust doesn't' count as "violence" to white supremacist BlueMAGA fascists.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago

I'm hoping Musk gets some momentum with his third party. Either it splits the Republican vote and slows down this freefall into fascism, or he dumps tons of resources into promoting some variety of RCV. Either way, that's a net benefit in my eyes.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Either you're stupid or you're lying.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world -2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Literally fucking half of the shit you attribute to democrats.

Stop racism in policing.

Start here. This is a fucking lie and you're practically a nazi for whitewashing them

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Its not a lie. The legal progress towards this has come from Democrats. Yeah, it's not enough and it's been too long coming. Still, look at which states passed laws on chokeholds and which states passed laws allowing people to run over protesters, then tell me there is no difference in the parties.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You're too easily impressed with the most superficial bullshit possible. The difference you highlighted is purely symbolic on both sides. As if cops are restrained by the law in the first place. Both parties have the exact same policy on policing and your 'good guys' are almost exclusively the ones in charge of the cities that actually run those police departments. All they do is give them more funding. And to confound people like you they engage in 'liberal box checking' where they 'do something' that changes absolutely nothing structurally. And then you turn around and defend these murderers like they're the good guys. You're a boob.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not allowing choke holds isn't superficial. Body cams aren't superficial. They cut down on police use of force and citizen complaints. They also cost money. Better trained police costs money. Sending out social workers with police on domestic calls costs money ,and makes a huge difference in the quality of policing.

The only substantial reduction in policing cost is cutting back on the drug war and most left leaning states are doing that. (Reducing numbers of police would do it but most states have similar per capita number of police as Europe).

There is no doubt we have a long way to go on police reform, but to say there has been no progress simply isn't true.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm sorry but you're extremely too credulous and unthinking.

I already explained why and how bans on chokeholds are superficial. Are your senses so dull that you didn't notice or are you being deliberately dishonest and lazy by not addressing it?

Body cams are even more glaring an example. It's extremely fucking common knowledge that they turn them off whenever they want. Do you think you're being strategic by ignoring that fact? Because the effect in reality is it makes you sound like an idiot. Your entire premise is undermined.

You just straight up have no idea what's happening in the world around you.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/warrior-cop-class-dave-grossman-killology.html

"More training costs money"

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"The perfect is the enemy of the good."

Yes, some cops are going to use chokeholds regardless of bans. Some people are going to commit murder regardless of it being illegal too. That doesn't mean we shouldn't bother having laws against murder. The fact that chokes are not reduced to zero by chokehold bans does not negate that it reduces the number of chokes used. In the same way, the fact that cops will sometimes shut off their cams does not negate the times that they don't turn off the cams and it allows victims to seek justice.

I am aware of Killilogy and Warrior Cop training. Cops receiving the wrong training is an entirely separate issue from the cost of improved training.

Finally, please refrain from personal attacks as this detracts from your arguments and violates community guidelines.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

“The perfect is the enemy of the good.”

Murdering black people for advocating their civil rights is good huh?

Cops receiving the wrong training is an entirely separate issue from the cost of improved training.

No it isn't. You're hiding behind hollow rhetoric and ignoring reality entirely. Yes. In your fucking mind palace it's TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE to train police to not be bad. But you're ignoring all present conditions and all of history. I'm not going to apologize for you feeling stupid or offended at being called stupid. You're stupid.

the fact that cops will sometimes shut off their cams does not negate the times that they don’t turn off the cams and it allows victims to seek justice

Mind palace. Completely ignoring how the world works in favor of how the argument works in a vacuum.

The fact that chokes are not reduced to zero by chokehold bans does not negate that it reduces the number of chokes used. In the same way

Petulance. Police killings are up, not down. The direction is not towards zero. You're either a fascist or a useful idiot. It literally does not matter which. I call you a fascist.

[–] only_in_ohio@sh.itjust.works -4 points 4 weeks ago (18 children)

Those memes are just contributing to the issue of young people skipping the elections, and then complaining about our leaders being stupid

[–] piefood@feddit.online 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Well, then maybe the Democrats should fix that, by putting out candidates that young people actually want to vote for.

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

No, even the US has more parties than only those two. In Spain we also had a two party system a lot of years ago, but this changed when the people begone to vote also for other parties than those two, with this we have now several different parties, that makes that there have to create aliances to obtain the mayority do be able to govern, so corresponding more on the reallity of the needs of the people, out of this black and white scheme (or better bright and dark grey). In the US is needed that also enter left wing parties, which represent the basic rights of the people, which currently don't exist, because they are "anti-american communists", this is the mantra with which they create the fear in the people to vote it.

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