Don't remember the last time the Democrats had military storming our streets and black bagging US residents en masse and deporting them to war zones like South Sudan or Libya despite those people having zero ties to those countries.

This reeks of fucking shitpost right-wing propaganda.

Edit: here come all the "but the US/CIA did all this fucked up stuff to other countries under Dems, too!"

JFC, the current "president" who is GOP literally yells about wanting to deport/arrest political opponents, censor TV personalities (e.g. Colbert, Fallon, etc), openly calls to suppress political opposition in voting, openly supports ignoring the courts when they interfere with his blatantly unconstitutional actions, etc etc .

Yes, the Dems aren't fucking innocent, but to pretend they're the same as a party that's openly trying to "take back the Nazi word" is fucking insane.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 13 points 6 days ago

Obama has the record for deportations

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Off the top off my head the national guard during the george floyd protest that got called in by tim walz. Even trump was "impressed"

[+] bassomitron@lemmy.world -7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yes, because those circumstances were completely the same as what's going on now.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And that makes it acceptable?

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world -5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

People had literally burned down police stations and mass looting was occurring. Their police force was completely overrun. Don't act like it was remotely the same thing.

I have several friends in Minneapolis that are very progressive. There were tons of people who were legit scared during periods of that for numerous reasons. It wasn't "acceptable," but what the fuck else do you do when law and order begins to completely breakdown?

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Maybe reform the law and order that regularly lets Police murder citizens because they feel like it?

You know, how the protestors demanded before their peaceful protest got beaten up in order to escalate violence to deligitimize the demands and present the violent police as necessary.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago

I don't disagree. I was simply providing context, which the other comment I responded to wasn't addressing.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It wasn't "acceptable," but what the fuck else do you do when law and order begins to completely breakdown?

if it isn't acceptable it isn't acceptable period. "this was the only way" literally means that you think it was acceptable.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I put it in quotes because I wasn't meaning it to be so exact.

But whatever, I'm done arguing with enlightened centrists.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

So you do think the kidnapping off the streets into unmarked vans by the military was somewhat acceptable when the democrats called for it? At least have the gut to come out and say it

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

the Democrats had military storming our streets and black bagging US residents en masse

The Posse Comitatus Act is what generally prevents military from "black bagging US residents" and leaves that job to police.

Texas was the first state to allow for the national guard to assist in immigration efforts back in 2021. Democrats did nothing to stop, delay or prevent the expansion of those powers which were further pushed and nationalized in 2025.

The other loophole is invoking the insurrection act. While Biden did not involve it it was repeatedly threatened during the Gaza war protests, however the protests never got too riotous for the Dems to risk damaging their image and the local police were perfectly capable of documenting and black bagging people for it.

The cases of Kahlil and Mahdawi where Trump attended to deport individuals participating in those protests was made possible by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952. That specific bill was introduced by the Democrats, passed the Democratic majority House and Senate, Vetoed by Democratic president Truman before being overridden by the house/Senate.

You are correct that they are "not the same", but stating that the shield of your enemy is your friend, just because it isn't a sword is fucking insane.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The problem is that both parties are right wings, only one somewhat more extreme. Both defends the rights of big corporations, billonairs and less or nothing those of the rest of the people. Public services, labor rights and even basic rights, like health and education are a bad joke in the US and only available if you have money. Now with Trump it goes even worse.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They're not the same. The Dems stand back and shake their fist/wring their hands when the Repubs have power and run roughshod over them. Then when the Dems have power they allow their efforts to be thwarted by the Repubs and gesture helplessly when in fact they could just push things through themselves.

Also the DNC is a malfunctioning toilet that costs elections, implying that they think it's better to have a pro-establishment Repub in power than a Dem maverick.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

war zones like South Sudan or Libya despite those people having zero ties to those countries.

Damn I wonder why Libya is like that!

You absolute ghouls literally don't see foreigners as human

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I dont think there is a lib alive who remembers the dems role in the destruction of Libya other than those directly involved in it.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago

True, most of them don't remember as far back as last year

[–] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 days ago

since the end of ww2 the two major coup d'états in brazil happened with direct support of the department of state and the cia under dem administration (johnson was in power in 64 and obama, with hillary clinton in charge of the department of state, in 2016). we've got a story or two to tell about them. if the regular lib doesn't care about that, then the most natural thing for us is to consider both parties equally harmful and don't give a damn over internal issues of the us and a.