Nobody says that nothing happened around the square and in Beijing either. Everyone recognizes it as a tragedy, just not the way western media reports on it.
Nobody said the re-education camps are perfect, just that there isn't mass sterilization or systematic murder like western countries claim.
The PRC's CO2 emissions are from producing what the vast majority of the world consumes. As far as consumption is concerned, emissions per capita in the PRC are low and shrinking.
The PRC is socialist, the large firms and key industries are publicly owned. It isn't in the later stages of socialism where private property has begun to disappear entirely and communism is around the corner, nor is it state capitalist like the Republic of Korea, Singapore, or Bismark's Germany, where the state is involved in planning a majority privately owned economy.
Socially, the PRC is making great strides. Jin Xing is one of China's top celebrities, and she's openly trans. The older generations are more conservative, but the younger generations are more progressive, and China's democratic structures mean change takes time but ultimately does come from below.

You seem to have a fantasy view of Marxists, while not being very well-read on socialist theory either. If you focused on connecting with people I think you'd get farther.

[+] nyctre@lemmy.world -6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Not gonna waste time on all of that because it would take way too much time but first one is quite easy:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48489002

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/02073759-a8da-4b17-a90a-52001f60ecec.png

Both china's defense minister and .ml's admin seem to be disagreeing with you.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's still a tragedy, even if putting down the riots that resulted in lynchings of innocents before the PLA came in was ultimately necessary. You're not really understanding what I'm saying.

A Maoist protest was twisted into a liberal one backed by the US, where the rioters went on to burn people alive and lynch unarmed officers.

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You're the only one saying tragedy. The rest are praising it. One more just for "fun" "much ado about nothing"

At best, according to Chinese sources, it was 300 revolutionaries killed in response to a handful of lynched soldiers -> not praise worthy. That's called overkill.

At worst, according to the Swiss ambassador that was there, it was 2600-ish people. Definitely not praiseworthy. That's called a massacre.

Either way, not necessary. Ffs, the whole black lives matter which was a shit show and still there were 35-ish deaths. But yeah, it was necessary and praiseworthy. Give me a break. But it's good to finally get an actual stance out of you and not just dodgy bs. But you say "PLA" instead of "the army", so I'm not surprised.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They are stating that it was necessary to put down the color-revolution, a western-backed riot where the organizers themselves admitted to trying to provoke a violent response:

The students keep asking, “What should we do next? What can we accomplish?” I feel so sad, because how can I tell them that what we are actually hoping for is bloodshed, for the moment when the government has no choice but to brazenly butcher the people. Only when the Square is awash with blood will the people of China open their eyes. Only then will they really be united. But how can I explain any of this to my fellow students?

(Are you going to stay in the Square yourself?)

No, I won’t. Because my situation is different. My name is on the government’s hit list. I’m not going to let myself be destroyed by this government. I want to live.

The Gate of Heavenly Peace

There were lynchings of officers, firebombings of vehicles, and widespread violence, all of a largely reactionary nature. These were not protests for social justice. Originally, they were ultraleft Maoists upset at Deng's market reforms, but later they became liberal protests, backed by the US.

It was a tragedy that it happened at all, that's correct, however if the counter-revolt succeeded in toppling socialism, countless lives would have been lost, just like when the USSR fell and 7 million people died that didn't have to.

Not sure what you mean by "dodgy BS," I have always been clear on what my stances are. I'm a Marxist-Leninist, I hold opinions generally held by Marxist-Leninists. I'm on Capital Volume 2. I'm a spooky scary socialist.

[+] nyctre@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

The “mass murder” didn’t come from the Chinese state; it came from the CIA-backed terrorists. Like any state, the Chinese state has a duty to stop terrorist attacks.

📺 The Tiananmen Square "Massacre" Never Happened — [Sources]

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

I said it was tragic that it happened in the first place, and it's horrible that the US took advantage of grievances the public had in order to force violent reaction. I also think it's a good thing that the socialist system remained, millions more lives have been saved and extended thanks to it, regardless if the rioters that burned unarmed officers alive lived to see those lives saved.

Again, though, you're deliberately avoiding having an actual conversation, and are looking to pick fights. I've talked about the June 4th incident before, several times, going over the causes, influences, distortions by the west, etc. A good source is Another View of Tiananmen by Sun Feiyang and Roderic Day.

I'm not going to apologize for being a Leftist, even if you call me pejoratives, lol.