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We Asked A.I. to Create the Joker. It Generated a Copyrighted Image.::Artists and researchers are exposing copyrighted material hidden within A.I. tools, raising fresh legal questions.

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[–] orclev@lemmy.world 69 points 10 months ago (115 children)

They literally asked it to give them a screenshot from the Joker movie. That was their fucking prompt. It's not like they just said "draw Joker" and it spit out a screenshot from the movie, they had to work really hard to get that exact image.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 69 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (109 children)

Because this proves that the "AI", at some level, is storing the data of the Joker movie screenshot somewhere inside of its training set.

Likely because the "AI" was trained upon this image at some point. This has repercussions with regards to copyright law. It means the training set contains copyrighted data and the use of said training set could be argued as piracy.

Legal discussions on how to talk about generative-AI are only happening now, now that people can experiment with the technology. But its not like our laws have changed, copyright infringement is copyright infringement. If the training data is obviously copyright infringement, then the data must be retrained in a more appropriate manner.

[–] CyberSeeker@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 months ago (9 children)

So let’s say I ask a talented human artist the same thing.

Doesn’t this prove that a human, at some level, is storing the data of the Joker movie screenshot somewhere inside of their memory?

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca -2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Nope humans don't store data perfectly with perfect recall.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 8 points 10 months ago

Neither do neural networks.

[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Humans can get pretty close to perfect recall with enough practice - show a human that exact joker image hundreds of thousands of times, they're going to be able to remember every detail.

That's what happened here - the example images weren't just in the training set once, they are in the training set over and over and over again across hundreds of thousands of websites.

If someone wants these images nobody is going to use AI to access it - they'll just do a google image search. There is no way Warner Brothers is harmed in any way by this, which is a strong fair use defence.

[–] Jilanico@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Some do. Should we jail all the talented artists with photographic memories?

[–] topinambour_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

If they exactly reproduce others work, and gain a profit for it, a fine would be the minimum.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

If they're copying copyrighted works, usually its a fine, especially if they're making money from it.

You know that performance artists get sued when they replicate a song in public from memory, right?

[–] Jilanico@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I don't think anyone is advocating to legalize the sale of copyrighted material made via AI.

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