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Draconian laws make me happy to be an American... We are getting bad, but have a ways to go before we catch up with Britain and Europe.
As an American, what the fuck are you talking about?
Oh, honey.
Go grab yourself a beer and have a stroll through your neighborhood to celebrate your freedom from draconian laws :)
Going to do that when my wife gets home from the store! I have no idea if it's legal for me to do so because there's zero chance I get fucked with.
EDIT: Drank two beers, walked most of the hood!
...Bruh
I think we are screwed in different ways
Which law of "Europe" is draconian?
Europe includes lots of countries, so there is no one "law" just various ones sprinkled throughout. In Britain people are arrested "for sending messages that cause “annoyance”, “inconvenience” or “anxiety” to others via the internet, telephone or mail." using section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 and Section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1988. That has a pretty chilling effect on speech. Convictions are more rare than arrests, but the constant threat of arrest is almost as bad as a conviction...
What he did wasn't against the law. You can carry a knife in public if you have good reason to. The man was carrying a gardening trowel and was caught with a sickle cutting a hedge and holding a basket of vegetables. He was literally caught gardening. It was crystal clear that he had good reason.
I'm an American living in England. UK laws can be draconian as written, but it's only in rare cases that they're actually applied that way. The police have more discretion, likewise judges, and generally they can't be arsed to apply the full force of the law. So on paper, the UK might seem a totalitarian hellhole, but in practice, the US is immeasurably worse. And that's even when you consider absurdities like this incident, where the cops clearly overreached. Unlike the US, they also don't send people to prison for decades for shoplifting food.
Here's a stat to help you: killings of UK people by the police: under 10 cases annually. In 2024, leaving out car accidents, there were 3. Most of those were armed robbers or terrorists in the midst of murdering people or directly threatening to do so.
In the US, the equivalent number is estimated to be around 1300. The feds don't force states to report these statistics, so the best numbers we have come from journalists and non-profits, and are likely underestimates. Even after correcting for the difference in population sizes, it's obvious that the US has a major problem, and that's even before all the abuses and impunity introduced by Trump.
And one last set of figures to consider: in the county where I live, the homicide rate last year was 0.75 per 100,000. In the county I moved from in the US, the equivalent number is 8.6.
I can see people being freaked out by our gun laws, but at least I can operate gardening tools in my own fucking yard.