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[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

First, if I were to take a guess I would assume that it can be coded to give the AI read/write access to messages because it’s part of the encryption protocol without giving it to Meta as a company? I really have no idea because I don’t write code or deal with backend stuff so it’s just an idea.

Second, I’m not defending the tech company. I’m coming up with a hypothesis as to why something may be possible. I’m not saying it’s probable.l because we both know that Meta will find any way to gain access to data by doing any sort of shady shit they can.

[–] deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The concept of "End to End Encryption" (E2EE) is that one end encrypts the data, it passes through transport, and the only person who can read the decrypted data is the intended receiver.

In the case of WhatsApp, this should mean:

  • Your phone (WhatsApp app) encrypts a message
  • Your phone sends the encrypted ("unreadable") message to Facebook
  • Facebook sends the message to the intended receiver
  • The receiver decrypts the message

The whole "Meta AI summaries" thing has to run on their servers. Large language models small enough to fit on a phone don't produce sensible output yet, and your phones battery would drain very quickly. Since each message is (supposed to be) encrypted with different keys, no human nor computer can make sense of the encrypted data without the keys to decrypt it. For their servers to provide a "summary of your chats", they have to be able to read the content of the messages. Thus proving that the whole "end to end encryption" in WhatsApp is either false, or made entirely useless with them sending all messages to themselves without E2EE.

The only proof that would invalidate this is evidence of the LLM running locally on device. Even then, the way some of WhatsApp's services work (like notifications, WhatsApp Web) creates some serious doubt on the "E2EE" claim.

It is absolutely essential that any communications platform claiming "E2EE" proves this by making the client-side code (the stuff running on your device) fully open source. A proprietary app, like WhatsApp, by definition makes it harder to fully understand its inner workings, and thus fully verify the E2EE claim.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's an opt-in feature. In settings, users will be required to enable Private Processing, which Meta describes as an "optional capability that enables users to initiate a request to a confidential and secure environment and use AI for processing messages where no one—including Meta and WhatsApp—can access them."

You should have read your link before typing all this. Their E2EE is a bit similar to OMEMO and Signal in the sense that one device is really like one contact, and one chat between two people is really like a group chat with many members associated with two identities. So they are adding another optional endpoint where you send the message to get that summary.

Of course if you do send it, it's readable by them no matter what they say.

Of course proprietary encryption (I'd argue that even proprietary code) can't be trusted to do what declared.

But there is no logical contradiction whatsoever between their claim of having E2EE and this functionality.

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Wow! Thanks for this response. That makes a lot of sense as to how it’s done.

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