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I joined during the first Reddit exodus, and it seemed like for ages the amount of Lemmy content was generally increasing (sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly, but overall increasing). Now it seems that when I sort by New, I get through everything since my last visit much more quickly than I used to. Is that my imagination, or is the activity declining?

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[–] 4Robato@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I don't know how to check for the whole lemmy but seems it's growing a bit but the MAU dropped a bit probably because of august: https://fedidb.com/servers/lemmy.world

But the fediverse in general doesn't grow too much except when a scandal happens.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Watch out, the statistics might not say what you think they do.

"Total users" is a meaningless metric. All it showes is how many users aren't using lemmy anymore.

"Monthly active users" is the only meaningful metric, and it's fluctuating and currently going down.

"Activity growth" doesn't actually show the number of new activities per month, but the total count of activities. So with constant activity you'd expect linear "activity growth" and with growing activity you'd see the line curling upward. It is currently mostly linear but slightly declining.

So these statistics show a slow decline, not an increase.

But in a way you can be happy that it doesn't grow a lot. With the base architecture of ActivityPub (every instance contains a copy of everything, all content needs to be propagated to all instances, all content needs to be duplicate-moderated by all instances' admins) it is absolutely not designed to handle large amount of users.

If only a tenth of a percent of Reddit users were to switch over to Lemmy, everything would grind to a halt and most instances would have to close down because running them would become to expensive for a non-profit project.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The user you are replying to has specifically sourced lemmy.world data there, which is not going to give you an overall for the wider fediverse.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This here is a better source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats&days=1000

That's all of lemmy over the last 1000 days.

Most important takeaways:

  • Active users tend to only grow during special events (usually "Reddit pulls some new shit") and then declines slowly as people fade back out.
  • When instances close, users tend to just disappear (as when Lemmy.ee closed down). The Lemmy.ee users seem to have just disappeared instead of migrated to another instance.
  • Number of active servers is in a strict decline. Apart from the initial rush, smaller instances seem to go down and don't get replaced. Most users seem to prefer to use big instances.
  • Comments again shows the total number of comments available, not new comments coming in. As you can see, the angle of the curve gets slightly flatter over time, meaning that activity drops. It also shows well that when instances get closed down lots of content just disappears.
  • Posts also shows a similar decline, though even stronger than comments.
[–] Skavau@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

When instances close, users tend to just disappear (as when Lemmy.ee closed down). The Lemmy.ee users seem to have just disappeared instead of migrated to another instance.

I suggest you look at the piefed activity indicator for more context here.

A big chunk of the lemm.ee base went here, and its gaining servers where Lemmy is losing them.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, that makes sense. Though still Lemmy.ee's closure is a drop of ~4500 monthly active users while piefed only totals ~1700 monthly active users in total.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh yes, it has some impact - but the slow decline of Lemmy instance activity has to be contextualised with whats going on Piefed (and to a lesser extent: Mbin)

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Kbin exists as well, unless something changed since the last time I looked.

But one thing is for certain: The whole field isn't growing right now.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 points 15 hours ago

kbin shut down, mbin is the sucessor

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure, but it's not at the level of decline some doom about here. It's mostly stable.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, that's true.

What is a bit of a fact though is that Lemmy and the other Lemmy-likes are basically a set of forums and not a Reddit killer.

In fact, all of Lemmy's and Lemmy-likes' usage statistics combined are about comparable with the Crackberry forum or the LTT forum.

[–] 4Robato@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah one has to be careful with statistics and I couldn't find the whole Lemmy in one place so it's also not representative of the whole Lemmy.

I thought ActivityPub did scale well and was ATProto (Bluesky) which had a lot more issues. I mean I can comment on Peertube using my Mastodon account meaning the whole Fediverse is properly connected and we are 1M MAU so I would say it already scaled good.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Here's all of fediverse: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats&days=1000

Also remember, though it says 'daily' in the title, that only refers to that the stats are grouped by day. They are still total numbers (e.g. total number of posts that are available on that day, not number of new posts created that day).

Lemmy has the big issue that each instance needs to cache the whole content of each community any user of that instance ever subscribed to. Since Reddit-style platforms only make sense if there are huge communities that means that the biggest communities have most of the traffic while being subscribed to by most instances. That means that most instances have copies of most content.

Same goes with moderation. Since every instance holds a copy of the content, each instance's operator is liable for illegal content stored on their server, and most instance operators also want their moderation guidelines enforced across the whole instance, even for content coming from other instances, so each instance needs to moderate all content. Content moderation on one instance is not propagated to other instances (unless the moderation happens on the host instance of the community), so you end up with moderators of dozens of instances each having to individually e.g. delete the same post.

This is already such a strain that e.g. Lemmy.ee got shut down because it was just so much work and money doing all of that, and that's with a miniscule amount of ~40k monthly active users across all of Lemmy. Compare that to the 1.2 billion monthly active users on Reddit. If we only got a tenth of a percent of all Reddit users over to Lemmy, the whole system would come crashing down.

[–] 4Robato@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Aah I didn't knew this issue from Lemmy, really interesting. Creating a decentralized platform raises many new challenges that are hard to solve!

Now I get why piefed approaches moderation in a different manner and tries to be more resource friendly.

Thanks for the info! Really interesting stuff :)

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

That link is just hanging for me.