Ok. Prove me wrong. Go ahead and criticise NATO's disinformation the way you do with Russia. Also, if you are against Russia's actions in Ukraine, provide a valid alternative response to NATO's aggression against Russia.

[–] SunSunFuego@lemmy.ml 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

i know my solution is unrealistic. but for the regular worker it just doesn´t matter whether they are wage slaves for an indebted country where western corporations buy all privatized assets or live in an oligarch-led state. the regular worker just doesn´t want to get bombed or get caught in crossfire. the war must end no matter the outcome or which side has to make which concessions.

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

the regular worker just doesn´t want to get bombed or get caught in crossfire. the war must end no matter the outcome or which side has to make which concessions.

Okay, so how can Russia unilaterally stop NATO's aggression without a military action that you condemn so much?

Also, still not seeing any condemnation of NATO, NATO's disinformation campaigns, or an actual valid alternative for Russia.

[–] SunSunFuego@lemmy.ml 1 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

maybe i´m in the wrong but in my research i came to this conclusion: after the fall of the ussr the russian federation didn´t really jive with the idea of it´s neighbouring country being independent. they invaded chechnia and georgia. as a response other neighbouring countries were like "fuck that" and joined NATO for their own security. russia interprets that as aggressive nato expansion which is just one of the reasons why they invaded. the other reasons are as officially stated: -ukraine needs to be denazified -russia wants to save russian speakers from whatever -putin claims ukraine is not a real country

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

It's more that after the fall of the USSR, the RF tried to cozy up to the west, was denied, and had a large nationalist movement to kick out the foreign plunderers. This started a large chain of NATO expansion, which has been directed to threaten Russia into opening up its capital markets back up for western imperialism. Many of the former SFSRs and SSRs had strong nationalist movements prior to the dissolution of the USSR, and these carried over into far-right movements such as in Estonia, allowing rapid NATO expansion.

It's less about Russia not wanting "independence" from its neighbors, and more Russia not wanting to be encircled by the main imperialist army on the planet. The dissolution of the USSR wasn't a "turn evil" button, it dramatically altered capital relations and how the west deals with Russia. It's also why Russia has strong ties to socialist states despite being capitalist, it's forced into alignment with them due to being strongarmed by the west, same as Iran, or even Brazil to an extent.

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

they invaded chechnia

Chechnya was a part of Russia. Russia fought separatists. With NATO's approval. The part of the Russian government that supported the Chechen separatists was shelled by pro-NATO forces' tanks.
Also, if you support the Chechen separatists and think that Russia invaded Chechnya, then you should also support the pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine.

and georgia

Georgia attacked South Ossetian separatists and peacekeepers. Russia responded. As a result of this conflict, the only territory that Russia got was South Ossetia, and the human price of this conflict is very small compared to the atrocities that NATO commits regularly.

As a response other neighbouring countries were like "fuck that" and joined NATO for their own security

Which 'neighbouring countries' did that? And how would any of that justify joining the most evil polity in the world?
The vast majority of Russia's neighbours didn't have military-related issues with Russia. Only Georgia - which was even the de jure aggressor, - and Ukraine - which experienced a coup, with the resulting government immediately trying to bring weapons to the border with Russia's most populated areas.

russia interprets that as aggressive nato expansion

NATO did promise to not expand past Berlin. This promise has been broken time and time again.
Furthermore, NATO is the most evil polity in the world, and the most prolific invader. The rest of the world has every right to defend itself against it, and its allies do not get to appeal to a moral right to any sort of defense.

[–] SunSunFuego@lemmy.ml 3 points 12 hours ago

you got me a good chunk of stuff i need to research. thx