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[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 57 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (44 children)

they generate about 3,800kWh per year. We also use about 3,800kWh of electricity each year

Obviously, we can't use all the power produced over summer and we need to buy power in winter. So here's my question: How big a battery would we need in order to be completely self-sufficient?

O, god, it's going to be huge. You really can't do the off-grid thing unless you have enough power production to satiate you over any given 3-day moving window. Trying to store power from summer until winter is going to be too expensive, instead buy more panel.

This isn't even going into the fact batteries lose charge slowly. So any power generated in summer will be much diminished by winter, even if you have big enough batteries.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 20 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (9 children)

Seems to me his panel capacity is to small anyway.
We have 11 kWh panels, and yes in the summer we routinely produce 4 times more than we use, and we have a 7.5 kWh battery But November December and January it's not even close to enough.

In the Winter you can easily have a week with near zero production:
Our Import / export from grid last year:
November 215 / 59 kWh
December 300 15 kWh
January 268 / 34 kWh

Despite we have almost 3 times the capacity, and produce more than twice what we use per year, and we have a decent battery and believe it or not, even the shortest day we can produce enough power for a whole 24 hour day if it's a clear day! But we can also have clouds for 14 days!
But for those months we imported 783 kWh and exported 108 that could have been used with bigger battery. But the net import was still 675 kWh!! For those 3 months, and that's the minimum size battery we could have managed with, and then we even need 10% extra to compensate for charge/discharge losses.

TLDR:
Minimum 740 kWh battery in our case, and that's without heating, because we use wood pellets.

That means it would require at least the equivalent of 10 high end fully electric car batteries. But also a very hefty inverter, which AFAIK ads about 50% the price of the battery.

PS: Already in February we exported more than we imported.

[–] edent@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

(Author here) As I say in my post, our roof is full. We have 16x 320 Watt panels - 8 on each side of the roof.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

OK I didn't see that, that's bigger than I expected, we make about 12.5 MWh per year on our 11.2 kWh panels = 1.1 MWh per kWh capacity.
Your system is 5.1 kWh but you only make 3.8 MWh per year = 0.75 MWh per kWh capacity.
Meaning we have 50% higher yield per kWh rated capacity!

So our production remains 3.3 times higher than yours, despite we only have twice the capacity.
But our panels are pretty optimally placed towards the south.

Considering you are further south compared to us, I'm surprised your yield is so low, despite London is infamous for being cloudy.

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