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They took more than was fair, so it wouldn't be fair.
Group ownership of a resource isn't in conflict with controlling the resource, or having laws and practices to determine how it's used.
Kinda like how we all own Yellowstone park, but no one is free to bottle and carry off all the water from old faithful.
So do you think it's fair for a group of people to raid a farm and pick what they haven't contributed to growing as long as they take just enough to feed themselves, piggybacking off the work of the farmer? Why should the farmer agree to this?
Edit: rewrote the question to satisfy people who think asking questions about is somehow combative.
The capitalism is strong with this one...
Do you have anything to contribute? I'm trying to have an actual discussion about policy.
I think the profit incentive is important in maximising yield, do you have anything to add to this as to why I may be wrong? Or are you just going to signal me as an other so that others just switch off and get defensive.
I think it's kind of ironic that some claim to want the world to see things from their point of view but then immediately attack those who question their views or try to understand. This just suggests to me you're more about signalling to your in group than growth in ideas and discussion.
What's to discuss? We live in a society that you're describing and it's awful for most people. You defeated yourself.
There is a lot to discuss. I'm discussing about why I think communal style living/economics don't scale well. You think it does, there are reasons we both have our opinions and maybe we could actually learn from each other rather than you viewing me as someone to be defeated.
You're wrong though. You're saying the way it isn't can't work while living the way you're describing and it not working. No discussion is needed.
You need to define what you mean by not working.
Of course discussion is needed. How else do you expand your mind and thoughts without discussing things? I don't take your views as being inherently true in much the same way you don't take mine, that's healthy and normal.
Inequality, poverty, starvation, suffering, war... C'mon, man. These are issues that don't need to exist, but do so in order to keep certain people in power. It's all part of the machine.
You don't need to discuss whether the sky appears blue because we know how sunlight interacts with our atmosphere. The same is true for this issue.
I would argue the primary cause of all of these problems is that we live in a world of finite resources. I think all of those things would still be problems under any political system we tried to implement. If there was plenty of resources for everyone we would just multiply until that wasn't the case any more.
I reject the notion that we could rid the world of these things, the entirety of human history provides empirical evidence that backs me up on this. I think it's fantastical to think we could rid the world of these things, all we can do is try to reduce the impact as best we can in the limited ways that we can as individuals and as a society.
We produce more than enough food to feed everyone. Even if you say something like logistics is an issue, we could still feed everyone in the developed nations at least, but we don't. That's a choice.
Climate change is much more of a practical issue than starvation and poverty. We already have solutions for starvation as I said.