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Artix Linux drop support for GNOME (forum.artixlinux.org)
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Some of you have probably seen the blog post a few months ago about how GNOME is more strongly depending on systemd. The changes mentioned there have landed into the latest stable versions of the mentioned software (GNOME 49) and do affect us. In particular, the main culprit is the removal of the non-systemd fallback code in gnome-session. This makes it currently impossible to launch gnome-shell/mutter on a non-systemd system. A fairly straightforward patch of using elogind, like what was previously done, no longer works either.

Since we don't have the time or interest to write a new non-systemd codepath for gnome-session, this means that all support for gnome-based desktops has to be dropped. In particular, the affected packages would be gnome-session, gnome-shell, mutter, and gnome-settings-daemon. For now, the old versions are still in the repos but because there is so much intertwining between other gtk/gnome packages, there is no guarantee they actually work and will later be removed from our repos.

Standalone gnome applications will still continue to be packaged, but it is simply not feasible anymore to support gnome desktops without systemd.

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[–] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I dug up this link from June, which tells us why they made such a design choice of strong depressing on systemd.

https://blogs.gnome.org/adrianvovk/2025/06/10/gnome-systemd-dependencies/

Funny thing is every open source developer strives to support as many systems and platforms as possible, by following best practices and open standards, GNOME goes backwards.

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Isn't systemd that open standard though?

Same with Wayland?

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah? Try having it and s6 or Runit or dinit in the same repo then. Artix does have those 3 and more, but not Systemd, guess why?

And Systemd only runs on Linux kernel btw.

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 1 points 15 hours ago

Yeah but it could be an open standard, for Linux, could it not?

I don't really understand your first point though. That would be no problem if you organized the packages and declared conflicts for systemd against the other init systems.

[–] nyan@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

Isn’t systemd that open standard though?

No. It doesn't support BSD, just for starters, even though most of the established desktop environments originally ran there as well as on Linux. So by definition, anything that relies on systemd can't "support as many systems and platforms as possible". And to my knowledge, no actual standards document defining protocols and interfaces has ever been published (although I admit, as an OpenRC user, I don't pay much attention), meaning that the interface can change without warning. If systemd works for you, that's fine, but don't try to build it up into something it isn't.

[–] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I am not knowledgeable enough to answer your question. But if it were an open standard, it would be more like Xorg than Wayland. There is only one X server implementation, just like there is only one systemd implementation.

Here Gnome is kinda like the websites which only work with Chromium based browsers. "Everybody is using Chrome anyways, right?" In a sense it's also not really systemd's or Chromium's fault, that some devs decided to only support their platform.

[–] nyan@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

There is only one X server implementation

That isn't quite true. There have been several proprietary implementations for non-Linux systems—Apple's XQuartz was still being maintained as of a couple of years ago, although I don't know about its current status. Standards documents exist, and anyone can code to them.