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I don't see what you mean.
Why do you liberal trolls just vague-post when you don't know what you're talking about?
You're not impressing anyone, and you would do better to actually read.
the users of .world passed around curated lists of "tankie trolls" to newbies so that they can be blocked before ever interacting with them; how about doing something like this for lib trolls?
Nah, let the stormfront / kiwifarms people distribute lists of targets / witches they feel need burning.
That's not our role as communists. In the words of Omar Mukhtar - "They are not our teachers"
Respectfully, lessons come in many guides, they just don't teach what they think they teach. That is, we've seen many iterations of lessons of what doesn't work for the people, unless it's new ways of oppression, suppression, a learned ignorance that can convince us we're smart.
If you have something to say, then I invite you to, otherwise it seems more like you don't and can't, and instead resort to insult to cover for that. It's just standard ad hominem.
If we want to be formal about it, you've just asserted a bunch of no sense claims without evidence. Go ahead and show us concretely the control the Chinese working class have over their political system.
And maybe not with polls that include people under 24/7 surveillance by the party.
The evidence has been provided as infinitum, if you could be bothered.
For the PRC, public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, and governs the large firms and key industries.
The working class is steadily advancing in material conditions, and as production develops it is increasingly planned. A bourgeois state would not allow capital to be so constrained and boxed in, and at the same time a state cannot be anything other than an extension of the ruling class. In China, this class has been the working class since the revolution, and it is backed up by the fact that the CPC is supported by over 90% of the population. This support is consistent even when western orgs gather the polling.
The PRC certainly isn't much farther than the primary stage of socialism, as they call it, but already aspects of the intermediate stage are appearing. Reality more closely aligns with the CPC's stated goals and strategies than it does their critics, which is why most ML orgs back China and consider it socialist right now.
People in China are under a similar level of surveilance as western countries, though unlike western countries this is mostly used against capitalists, so they cannot undermine the system.
None of my claims have been nonsense, the reverse is true.