Unlike the more massive social media or the real world where theres not many leftists and we are gladly more united Lemmy and its left leaning tendencies with the instances providing natural cult grouping tendencies. Add to that the matrix in groups there and we all seem to be making a thing out of how to anger each other. How to troll each other or annoy x or y instance.

I hate this.

Living in an extreme right wing nation I know no other anarchist. A few left wingers. Even the libs here are right wing extremists by the standards of a western nation. I hold dear any solidarity.

I support unions here even when everyone there is a religious fundamentalist who wants sharia law bc they still qantnto improve the conditions of the working class.

Many folks here, who again I don't have any hate for, I see intending these fights and dramas. Having the goal to be banned from x or y community or instance.

Why!?!?
What do you gain?
What is the desire here??

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[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Might be worth looking at the behaviour of so called leftists on Lemmy.

Many of them openly support and cheer for russia's invasion of Ukraine and support summary killing of Ukrainians ("summary executions in Bucha [and beyond] is a BIA conspiracy!!!" is not a serious statement), openly state that Ukraine does not have the right to self-determination and generally support the extermination of Ukrainian culture, language and identity.

I am from Ukraine, from Donbas (Lugansk) no less. What sort of reaction do you expect when you see alleged leftists cheers for the total occupation of Lugansk by the Russians with BS like "Lugansk is free of da Nasizzz !1!1!".

Or what about Jeromy Corbyn fanboys denying Corbyn's open support for russian genocidal imperialism (keep in mind these type of things get reported in Ukrainian media)? The fucker literally worked for Russia Today (which is managed by russian intel) and cheered the annexation of Crimea in 2014.

As far as I am concerned, I hope all tankies meet the same fate as "Donbas Cowboy", Russell Bentley.

Bentley’s wife, Lyudmila, then claimed that Russian soldiers from a tank battalion abducted him.

According to the Investigative Committee, Vansyatsky, Agaltsev, and Iordanov tortured Bentley on April 8, and he died shortly afterward.

Vansyatsky and Agaltsev are suspected of blowing up a car with Bentley’s body in it and ordering Bazhin to get rid of what was left of his remains.

Is this an unreasonable reaction to disgusting tankies? What reaction do you expect?

[–] FinnFooted@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

Agreed. I'm anti-authoriatiran first and a leftist second. I'll gladly overlook disagreements on most policy for the sake of unity, but I won't overlook authoritariansm.

[–] NoTagBacks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, the support of a blatantly fascist/imperialist state like Putin's Russia by self-described leftists is absolutely wild to me. I'm not convinced they're serious people. Like, yeah, there's some silly infighting between leftists online, but from my experience, it's usually tankies saying some smug bullshit blanket statements and defending authoritarian douchecanoes.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Don't forget the libs supporting the fascist/imperial state of USA.

[–] NoTagBacks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago

To call America a fascist state is just dishonest. To call the EU fascist is unhinged. Where America is certainly struggling internally with a legitimate attempt at a fascist takeover, too many fundamental principles of the republic remain intact to honestly define the country as a fascist state. There are plenty of things to criticize about the US government, it being fascist isn't one of them.

Russia, however, is literally doing an old school imperialist invasion right now. Like, shaky casus belli and everything. They're even throwing in a whole host of red flags indicating a genocide. Their "elections" are consistently used as textbook examples of rigged elections using statistical analysis. Political enemies of Putin are assassinated, jailed, and suppressed. The state sponsors a narrative campaign of a fictitious idealized Russian ethno-state. Public dissent is actively and harshly suppressed by the state. There are re-education camps to indoctrinate certain demographics with Russian supremacist propaganda. Russia is a fascist state. The tankies that rush to defend Russia online are defending a fascist state. That is directly contradictory to leftist principles and is, quite frankly, fucking stupid.

So to reply to someone pointing out how ridiculous it is for tankies to support a fascist state like Russia with "hurrdurr libs support fascist usa/eu" is yet another dishonest strawman wrapped in a red herring. And, certainly no surprise to anyone paying attention, just serves as another example of a tankie talking point that refuses to engage the actual argument.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

It's still possible for internal US dynamics to change and there have been positive outcomes from US foreign policy (Germany, Japan, Poland, Baltic nations).

The same cannot be said about russia and China.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

openly state that Ukraine does not have the right to self-determination

It was my understanding that the USSR insisted that its constituent republics were independent. Maybe the tankies need to revisit that.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago

So independent that Moscow could extract all food supplies from Ukraine to create a horrific man-made famine.

The fact of the matter is that tankies don't believe in self-determination or democracy (the few who are not shitposting and/or engaging malicious demagoguery).

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You should leave any instance that is federated with the Triad, imo. Lemmygrad, Hexbear, and ML are all Russia sponsored/supported instances that should be shunned by Lemmy as a whole.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I have Lemmygrad and Hexbear blocked. ML still has a few communities that need to move off ML.

FWIW, I actively mod/curate several communities that have become vibrant alternatives to the original (half dead) ML variants.

I actually joined Threadiverse via ML (did think the domain and their application was strange but didn't think too much about it) and then I realized Dessalines also admins Lemmygrad and he is a scumbag; of course I left ML ASAP.

I am generally doing my part to move over to Piefed, which also has a lot of cool features and better devs.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I am on .World which for some reason still federates with .ml. I've moved over to Piefed on Desktop, just not on mobile yet.

[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 4 points 1 day ago

Ha, don't worry, they do it for free!

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Don't forget the libs openly promoting genocide in palestine.

Tankies and libs are basically the same thing with different imperial branding.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Strongly disagree on this one. Tankies and MLs are almost universally supportive of genocidal imperialism and authoritarianism.

Had some unhinged ML quote tweet my post about how she was in no position to complain about removal of Soviet monuments (she doesn't live in Kyiv, doesn't walk in Kyiv's parks and doesn't pay local taxes).

"Libs" do not all hold identical views on Palestine. If anything, negative perceptions of Israel (not just the current leadership) is on the rise. Libs are no where near tankies or MLs in terms of toxicity and comical stupid polemics (I refuse to believe tankies genuinely believe NK is a vanguard against imperialism and a great place to live).

[–] craftymansamcf@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

If anything, negative perceptions of Israel (not just the current leadership) is on the rise

So only after a genocide is escalated do libs finally move away from open support? Damn what a group to be aligned with.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What a myopic and childish worldview.

We live in an imperfect world, good trends need to be capitalized on and not dismissed with some edgelord BS.

[–] craftymansamcf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

good trends need to be capitalized on

The good trend in this case is murdering half a million Palestinians has slightly shifted liberals views on their chosen settler state?

By god, at this rate it will only take the genocide of the entire middle east by israel to finally have liberals decide that it all should end. Just in time for the racially pure ethnostate to by complete! How convenient!!