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[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 days ago (3 children)

While you’re drawing parallels, remind everyone how to stop Nazis.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In WW2 all sorts of different people put aside their differences and united. They might have thought that Winston Churchill was a bastard, but he was the one that had the best chance of stopping Hitler.

Getting behind the people who already had an organization was how they stopped the Nazis.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You might be leaving out one significant person and country in stopping the Nazis.

it is the Russian Armies who have done the main work in tearing the guts out of the German army -- Winston Churchill

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Let's put aside the fact that Stalin not only trusted Hitler, he trusted Hitler so much that he executed people who reported that Hitler was planning on invading Russia. Let's put aside the fact that Stalin crippled his own army by killing his own Generals. Let's put aside the fact that Stalin's rule in the USSR was so bad that it resulted in countries near him going Fascist out of fear of Communism.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's funny how you talk about unity against a common enemy and in the next comment argue exactly against that. Do you deny that the USSR made significant contributions in defeating the nazis?

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you're going to put words in my mouth, please add a side of nachos?

Where did I say the USSR wasn't a big part of the War?

Quote the exact words.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You didn't explicitly, that's why I asked you. But you did tiptoe around the fact by citing some agreements that Stalin had with the nazis, as that is some sort of gotcha, right after advocating for a member of the British Conservative Party which led to the ruinous policy of appeasement with the nazis (as a form of anti-communism), so I had some doubts.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Here's a thought.

I said explicitly that the Nazis got beaten by people uniting behind a leadership they didn't 100% agree with.

Your reaction was to demand that I 100% agree with you about something that happened before either of us was born.

Maybe you'd do better to stop caring about the past and start focusing on what is going on right now.

Why don't you tell us all, explicitly, why my opinion of Stalin matters right now?

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure where I "demanded that you 100% agree with me", but it matters because rallying behind some milquetoast liberal that will bring us back to this position in a few years is not enough in the long run.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wrong.

Waiting for the perfect candidate is how we ended up here in the first place.

I was educated by some old school Communists who'd gone to Spain in the 1930s and gotten blacklisted in the 1950s.

One story they told was how in 1968 they were telling people to vote for Hubert Humphrey. The younger folks thought he was no better than Nixon, but my teachers knew that Nixon would be much worse.

What makes you think there will even be elections in 2028 if Trump keeps control of the House and Senate?

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That is why I said in the long run. Temporary support for Newsom, Pritzker etc is fine as they were some of the first Democrats to find a spine. But as soon as the Trump cancer is cleared (being optimistic here), an actual left opposition has to be built in the USA (and the rest of the Western world)

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

This is why the Right keeps getting stronger and stronger and the Left keeps failing.

Back in the day, guy named Jerry Falwell came up with a simple plan to become a power broker. He had a bunch of churches behind him and he gave them their marching orders. If twenty people showed up at the local GOP club for the monthly meetings, his 'Moral Majority' would show up with fifty. They grabbed up little jobs like county clerk in towns you never heard of, but every year they had more and more power. eventually they were on top.

Meanwhile, you're still blinding yourself with the idea of "an actual Left opposition."

Here's another tidbit for you to chew on. Back in 1860, escaped slave Frederick Douglas decided not to support the candidate who promised to back abolition. He went with Lincoln, because Douglas figured that a leader who won the election and was willing to listen was better than a committed candidate who was out of power.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Remind us 🙏 (tell me for the first time)

[–] saimen@feddit.org 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

By killing them until their leader kills himself.

(Not inciting violoence, just stating history facts)