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[–] DaMummy@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Wait until you find out Obama deported twice as many immigrants(could be just Mexicans, I can't remember) as Trump did. Or when you find out Obama dropped more bombs on Muslim countries than Trump. Or that Hillary raised twice as much money from corporations in '16 than Trump (same with Harris in' 24)

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 6 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

It is also true people benefited from Obama's DACA program. This isn't a simple trolley problem let alone a single track

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

The difference is method, not end result.

The main purposes of DACA was to get immigrants to "come out of the shadows" and have individuals self-report and turn themselves in, in exchange for temporary benifits to, primarily, their children. As stated at the time:

“Deferred action is not a pathway to citizenship. It is not legal status. It simply says that for three years, you are not a law enforcement priority and are not going to go after you, It is temporary and it is revocable.”

It was part of a series of incredibly smart, effective and efficient moves which resulted in record high deportations without needing a bunch of jackbooted thugs cracking skulls in the street.

For a while. Now we're in the "jackbooted thugs" phase which is less efficient, but plays better with the base it's trying to appease. It's less efficient and less people are getting deported overall, which is good. But the majority of those are switching from self-deportations to direct expulsions which are getting increasingly violent, a process that started back in 2021.

[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It went over your head didn't it. When he is taking about ice he is talking about erosion of law and norms. Ice has always been a thing but they were not like this.

But go on.

[–] DaMummy@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

Always is a stretch. Since 2003 during the Patriot Act days.