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[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How does a collectivised society plan or make big decisions without a state to make the decisions for them?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The state and administration aren't necessarily the same thing, which is why I tend to stress the difference between collectivized and communalized production. Collectivized production requires the infrastructure of complex planning.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What is administration under communism? What would that look like?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A good preview is looking at socialist states currently, but with fully collectivized production and distribution globally, no borders, and no oppressive forces like police to enforce property rights. It's not that the state is killed, but that it withers due to becoming superfluous.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What socialist states don't have police? I china, Vietnam and Cuba all seams to have police.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Yes, as they have class struggle and haven't reached communism. Once production is fully collectivized does class disappear, and then the state becomes superfluous. Until then, it's necessary.