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[–] talentedkiwi@sh.itjust.works 199 points 3 months ago (23 children)

It’s also worth clarifying that ProtonMail doesn’t collect IP addresses by default. Instead, the monitoring/ logging starts after ProtonMail gets a legal request.

They still have to adhere to legal requests.

[–] Nyxias@fedia.io 12 points 3 months ago (19 children)

Yes, exactly.

Privacy is and should be a right, absolutely if you've done nothing wrong.

But it doesn't absolve anyone from the right to shroud from any crime committed, period.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 35 points 3 months ago (8 children)

if you’ve done nothing wrong

Through who's lens?

When a person is raped and seeking an abortion from Texas, do they deserve to be stripped of privacy? What about countries that see being gay a crime?

I don't particularly care about proton outing people, but they should absolutely be restricted from advertising that they're more private or secure than any other provider out there.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In the US right now, we're seeing this unfold. With the talk about classifying transgender folks as nihilistic violent extremists, who fucking knows.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago

When freedom of speech breaks down, and the government is logging / tracking all social media on the front end and back end AND private communication tools are under attack, nothing is really safe anymore. Most disturbingly, once they deem X or Y to be unlawful, if you've EVER talked about X or Y, you're at risk.

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