deliberately misleading error message.
this post was submitted on 28 Jan 2026
197 points (96.2% liked)
Fediverse
40406 readers
1286 users here now
A community to talk about the Fediverse and all it's related services using ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, Mbin, etc).
If you wanted to get help with moderating your own community then head over to !moderators@lemmy.world!
Rules
- Posts must be on topic.
- Be respectful of others.
- Cite the sources used for graphs and other statistics.
- Follow the general Lemmy.world rules.
Learn more at these websites: Join The Fediverse Wiki, Fediverse.info, Wikipedia Page, The Federation Info (Stats), FediDB (Stats), Sub Rehab (Reddit Migration)
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Too funny, liberals freak out about free censorship-proof software created by communists because they are "authoritarian" so in order to censor them develop new software with authoritarian censorship built in.
Don't worry, there's a communist PieFed instance that has the 4chan filter turned off. It's called MULTIVERSE. However, you can't reach it from lemmy.ml and ideologically aligned instances, because their admins are state capitalists who would break our rules if they were allowed to. We only allow capitalists who are here to engage in good faith, whether that means being open to changing their minds, or just arguing respectfully with care for the value of other people's time and energy.
I'm not worried and don't care about your instance or what you think about lemmy.ml.
I just think it is funny that the software itself is politically neutral but due to an extreme desire to censor the lemmy devs for "authoritarianism" that libs are developing undocumented authoritarian censorship methods into their forks.
No, the 4chan filter is documented. And I actually think it's a pretty neat feature. Despite being a communist, I'm not quite enough of a left wing radical to want to use it, but I still appreciate what it's made for. But I understand why the radical centrists who made the Lemmy software would see no use for it.
What I really want is an equivalent that bans Xitter screenshots. I don't want to give Musk's Nazi bar any more attention.
So, communist as in the more socially liberal anarco type of communism? Less vanguard, more community building, consent and mutual aid?
Grail is referring to the solipsist idea of "anarcho-antirealism." Grail moderates it. Less vanguard, less community building, less consent, less mutual aid, more escapism and rejection of reality.
From the "about" page.
I see the cineplex is projecting again.
I'm a dialectical materialist, not a solipsist. This is taken from the MULTIVERSE piefed about page:
From the "about" page.
Escapism is literally praxis for this group, that's what rejecting reality is about. Trying to achieve better happiness for everyone by strengthening escapism.
@Eldritch@piefed.world @Cowbee@lemmy.ml this sounds like a defedration waiting to happening, if I'm intereprting their mission right.
I dunno if they'll be defederated, they're small enough that they only have a few active users.
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml well, that may be the case, but…
I don't think solipsism is grounds for defederation from most places. I disagree with it heavily, but it isn't CSAM or fascist.
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml Fair enough. As I mentioned in my original reply (I think), I am not familiar with the idea.
Solipsism pretty much died out a long time ago as an extreme form of idealism. It exists as a philosophical framework but that's about it.
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml I can see, though, that it's ego-fueled after looking up your word. I dunno. As you said, it really
Yea, I can't agree with it at all.
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml My server (if I had one /sigh/) would defedrate it.
I wouldn't blame you.
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml and that's from a single read of its creator's manifesto, gave me a unfuzzy feeling. Glad to see I'm right.
Yep! Multiverse is an anarcho-antirealist instance. We believe consensus reality is a social construct created by the bourgeoisie to oppress us, and that the master's tools will not dismantle the master's house. A communist revolution will only succeed when we abandon bourgeois realism.
Aaaah cool. So plain speak wise, perception often becomes a persons reality. Even if not permanently. And the wealthiest use manipulation through propaganda to control perception and what individuals perceive as reality. Pitting them against eachother. I don't see anything too controversial about that. But I can see why ML would. They're very dependent on said propaganda and manipulation.
Marxists disagree with "anarcho-antirealists" because Marxists are materialists, not idealists. Grail is stating that reality itself is a reflection of ideas, and that, therefore, escapism is praxis. Marxists take the opposite approach, and seek real liberation by real means, as dialectical materialists. Propaganda and cultural hegemony have little to do with why Marxists oppose idealists, it's because idealism itself is bourgeois and prevents effective praxis (see escapism as being seen as praxis by idealists, rather than organizing and struggle).
Also not sure what you mean by Marxist-Leninists depending on "propaganda and manipulation," we certainly believe in dispelling bourgeois mythos and in espousing correct, scientific lines on revolutionary struggle. However, the idea that this is in service of some nefarious, manipulative ends is ill-founded. Communists have always fought for the working classes, and against bourgeois cultural hegemony in favor of proletarian culture and science.
It seems more like you're letting your distaste for Marxism cloud your interpretation of Their comment, when They are quite literally telling you They are rejecting material reality in favor of fantasies. You're interpeting the message as getting in control of perceptions to dispel propaganda's effect when the reason the concept is controversial is because it's a fundamentally solipsist ideology.
The place where it gets controversial is that we say gender, race, species, and divinity are also social constructs. Neither inherently true nor false, but rather a choice we make as society, and should therefore treat with responsibility and kindness. We piss off the transphobes by saying trans people exist, the kinphobes by saying otherkin exist, the human supremacists by saying animals deserve rights, the atheists by saying the gods exist, the monotheists by saying ALL the gods exist, and the white realist liberals by saying indigenous myths are literally true, and the rainbow serpent truly did make Australia, North America truly is on the back of a giant turtle, and the big bang truly did create the universe, although Elohim created Jewish people.
We believe everyone about their own cultural truths, and that pisses off all the exclusionary realists.