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I get the sentiment, but this is defintely stinkier, larger shit than the status quo of the US and downplaying it as its been this way for 50 years is somewhat dangerous messaging.
Americans are so painfully and pathetically uninformed on their own history. It's genuinely disturbing.
While I understand how you feel, you gotta think about how news gets reported.
Republicans aren't so far off when they talk about the "liberal news media". The news reports democrats failings significantly less, or frames it using more neutral language than how republicans are reported.
During bidens presidency I literally never heard anything about deportations, yet he did deport a significant amount of people. More than the amount we've seen from trump (so far).
No matter the justifications, the tone, or the methods, deportations still happened, and currently more of them happened under both Biden and Obama than with Trump. People most certainly were hurt and/or killed in that process too.
The number of deportations aren't the major problem here, it's the nature and methods they are using.
WHO BUILT THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS FIRERETARDANT?!?!?! WHO BUILT THEM???
HMMMM
Great question to google if you dont know the answer.
We used to deport 4.6 million people with DIGNITY! 😤
Give me a fucking break. ICE shooting 2 people is worse than dropping 635,000 tons of bombs onto Korea 🤣
Grow up.
Have you considered those two were white, though?
Some crazy whataboutism. Both are bad. Why are you making it a contest?
You're right, there's no contest. One is millions of times worse
Hostile relations with foreign nations is status quo for the US. The current level of violence on their streets instigated by the feds coupled with the desecration of constitutional rights and congress refusing to their legally obligated duties is not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unarmed_African_Americans_killed_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study
Pretty devastating for you. Let me know if you want more.
This administration is still doing all that awful shit and more. The rate of atrocities is increasing and broadening.
WWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTT?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?
You can NOT be serious?!?!
Obligatory disclaimer: I am anti Imperialist and anti Capitalist. The American Empire has been a force for oppression and destruction since its founding.
OK, now, saying that Trump is basically the same as other presidents on foreign policy is ridiculous. In just a little over a year into his second term he has continued to brutalize the same people and countries that the US has historically but has also:
He is objectively worse than our status quo bad and arguing otherwise is just petty and ignorant.
AKA, threatened white countries instead of the other guys. This is worse somehow.
Remember when Obama murdered Gaddafi and turned Libya into a slave-state? America’s history of regime change has its own Wikipedia…
Most “foreign aid” provided by America is used to make the global south dependant on their help and further entrenches colonialism.
Breaking treaties is probably the most American thing in history. How do you think the country was founded?
Not instead. In addition to. Which, yes, is worse.
Yes, I know my government loves regime changing other countries. Trump has escalated the level of brazenness with which we'll do it, which makes him worse. You seem to think that saying Trump is worse implies that our past leadership wasn't bad.
Yes, USAID was primarily a vehicle for soft power, and much of our "aide" was actually just propaganda (Voice of America, etc). But cutting off food and medicine to millions of poor people is objectively worse than not doing that.
You seem to be a victim of binary thinking. Are you incapable of recognizing that breaking ALL the treaties all at once is different from breaking some treaties some of the time, even if the latter is also bad?
Your argument is petty and unsubstantiated.
“video of his last moments shows rebel fighters dragging Gaddafi out of a drainage pipe, beating him and one of them sodomizing him with a bayonet before he was shot several times.”
Here’s a video of Hillary Clinton laughing about it: https://youtu.be/6DXDU48RHLU
Pretty brazen my friend… I’d say Maduro got off pretty light.
I can absolutely concede that Trump is doing bad things in his own unique way. I just think comparably it’s not that different than the status quo, and the reaction from white Americans on this topic is hard to take seriously at times.
I know all about how Gaddafi died and how the Clintons are sociopaths. Doesn't change the fact that unilaterally kidnapping Maduro is a new level of brazen, because it removes even the weak normative barriers that were in place before, when the US at least tried to manufacture consensus for its bullshit. You will undoubtedly claim that doesn't matter, but it does. Trump has lowered the internationally accepted barrier to foreign fuckery in a way that will have lasting ramifications.
Most of the people ICE has killed this year alone aren't white.
I'm not white.
Again, saying Trump is worse doesn't mean America was good before.
“At least they used to brainwash us before they did regime change!”
Really illuminates where your priorities lay. You miss Americans being soothed into imperialism. I can promise you, the victims of these crimes were not soothed into their demise. Do you think the people of these foreign nations give a fuck about how good Americans feel about murdering them?
This is an infantile degeneracy and I urge you to seek personal growth and reflect on these opinions.
I'm done trying to argue around your strawmen. You clearly have no interest in even trying to comprehend what I'm saying. Toodles
Good, get lost 👋
ICE has killed at least 9 people just since the beginning of the year. US bombs have slaughtered thousands of Palestinians, Iranians, Yemeni, Russians, etc, since Trump took office.
Maybe you should grow up?
“It was actually 9!” Wow 🤣
Oh my god thousands of people!? Geez, imagine if America ever did that in the last 70 years… Unheard of!
Are you always such a prick?
Convincing Americans that the people they murdered are real human beings is exhausting and demoralizing. Sorry mate.
Convincing random internet dickheads that they're being dickheads is exhausting and demoralizing.
I think my position is a lot more important tbh.
Well, based on what you've said so far, your position is that
I contend that your position is asinine.
Yeah I can see how my position would be pretty upsetting if you just make up a bunch of shit. Poor fella…
I didn't make any of that up. Go reread your comments.