I think some form needs to exist, even under communism; or else how would you earn for your labor without someone else taking your work and exploiting it?

I agree it should be like 10 years though, and infringement shouldn’t be some wild number, takedowns 100% should not be “shoot first ask questions later”, etc

[–] Spectrism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Communism means a moneyless society. There is no "earning for your labor" anymore and in turn no real loss for the artist that prevents them from having access to basic necessities, nor any real incentive for others to illegally copy someone's work in the first place. So no, communism doesn't really need any kind of copyright. Making it mandatory to credit the original artist could be mandatory, but that's about it.

Though I do agree with your second paragraph for the time being, where money earned through labor is required to survive.

[–] dil@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Noo no, if ppl dont retire off working once, how will you sell ppl the fantasy of easy retirement off one lucky opportunity

[–] huquad@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago

What's to keep Disney from poaching everyone's ideas? IP protection isn't a bad thing in itself. IP protection in perpetuity is the problem. 10-20 years seems fair.

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Ideas are not products of individuals, but of societies. Artists and intellectuals need copyright nowdays because those jobs usually lead you to starvation under capitalism (no, i dont consider academics as a good example of intellectuals). And history is full of irony, because it will probably be capitalism that will take copyright down because its an obstacle to developing AI

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

You cant fence ideas.

Yeah, you can't fence ideas using copyright, that's what patents are for.

[+] skribe@piefed.social -10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That would just further disenfranchise creators, most of whom don't make much (if any) money. Why would corporations fork out money for rights to stories/scripts/music when they can wait 10 years and get it for free? We have enough issues currently with corps stealing our IP to train their AIs, and then regurgitate almost exact copies to directly compete against us.

[–] Billygoat@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think no matter which way you went smaller creators would get ground under heel but 10 years would be way too short. I don’t think the people downvoting you really thought about this. The Way of Kings was published in 2010. Brandon Sanderson would’ve lost the copyright in 2020. I can guarantee that some corporation would rather wait and not have to pay him to create a movie immediately as the copyright expired. I’m sure there are tons of other scenarios that I’m not thinking of but larger organizations will always be able to work the system better than smaller creators.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

34 years to commercialize a franchise is plenty

[–] Billygoat@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

And I think that would be better, 10 would be too short.