A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

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Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 0 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Which countries have partitioned and taken over the land of Rhodesia and South Africa? You can show me on the map.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine trying to argue that Rhodesia still exists and expecting anyone to take you seriously

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Are you saying that Aliens stole it and placed Zimbabwe in its place...?

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I hope you understand that playing semantic calvinball doesn’t actually convince anyone

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I hope you understand that you being completely out of arguments is evident here.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

My "argument" is that your obviously just playing semantic games, which you are.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Well, in that case, all I can recommend is re-reading what I wrote, because you either didn't get it, missed it, or misunderstood it.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Uhuh. I read what you said just fine

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Well, clearly not, because you're still missing the point. Or not understanding it.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

No, I understand the point just fine

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I see you don't have any further arguments to add since this devolved into a "no u" back and forth. EOT, I guess.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Turns out just endlesly repeating "no! No! You just don't understand what I'm saying!" Like the "Implication" sketch from always sunny isn't actually a compelling argument

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I explained my position multiple times. You never countered these arguments, you just went "nuh uh!"

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 hours ago

Lol. I countered them just fine, hence why you just want "nuh uh! You clearly don't understand what I mean"

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Which countries have partitioned and taken over the land of Rhodesia

Zimbabwe.

and South Africa?

Post-apartheid South Africa.

You can show me on the map.

A map highlighting the two countries mentioned above.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, are you a disabled person? Or did you forget the point you guys were trying to make?

Rhodesia changed its government and name.

South Africa changed its government.

No third parties partitioned the lands of either.

Your examples are advocating for my approach of punishing the leadership and giving the people a fresh start.

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

I’m sorry, are you a disabled person? Or did you forget the point you guys were trying to make?

Damn, I can really feel how tempted you were to use the r-slur there. Not surprising that a zionist and a colonialist would also be an ableist.

Your examples are advocating for my approach of punishing the leadership and giving the people a fresh start.

My examples are advocating for decolonization done by the people there (Palestinians). You're the one imagining "third parties".

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Damn, I can really feel how tempted you were to use the r-slur there. Not surprising that a zionist and a colonialist would also be an ableist.

You do that a lot, don't you? Imagine things about people you disagree with and then assume they're true.

My examples are advocating for decolonization done by the people there (Palestinians). You’re the one imagining “third parties”.

I'm imagining third parties? You just stated that Palestinians are Israelis, mate. To the Israelis (and their nation), Palestinians are the third party (and the other way around).

You really are having trouble grasping simple concepts.

Hamas' stated eradication of Israel = genocide.

The removal of Israel's government, reform, security guarantees towards Palestine = not genocide.

I thought this was relatively simple to get.

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

You do that a lot, don’t you? Imagine things about people you disagree with and then assume they’re true.

I don't need to imagine, you called me "a disabled person" as an insult. That's exactly as bad as using the r-slur because it's literally the same thing.

I'm imagining third parties? You just stated that Palestinians are Israelis, mate. To the Israelis (and their nation), Palestinians are the third party (and the other way around).

Shut up, lmao. I'm tired of dealing with your colonizer ignorance. Several people have explained to you several times how and why you are wrong and it's clear that your racist condescending European colonial attitude makes it impossible for you to actually grasp the reality of colonialism and therefore the reality of "Israel".

40 years ago you would have been crying about how "the Blacks" want to commit genocide against the white South Africans and denying that they were colonizers too. Before you cry about how you "didn't say that", that's what's called a "hypothetical". It's meant to demonstrate your gross racism in a way that's easier for you to understand, because the two situations are the same but everyone today knows that the South African example would be obviously racist.

Hamas' stated eradication of Israel = genocide.

Go read the 2017 charter instead of assuming the people you think are below you match the caricature you have of them in your head.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

I don’t need to imagine, you called me “a disabled person” as an insult

I asked you as a hypothetical. It was meant to verify the cause for your gross historical ignorance and genocidal tendencies.

Several people have explained to you several times how and why you are wrong

Yeah, by ignoring archaeological and historical evidence. Cheers for that. I'll stick to facts, not fundamentalist faith.

your racist condescending European colonial attitude

"Both peoples have the right to the land their ancestors come from" - such colonialism, much condescension! Wow!

it impossible for you to actually grasp the reality of colonialism and therefore the reality of “Israel”.

One people living in an area and getting a country: all good.

Another people living in an area and getting a country: COLONIALISM!

Are you hearing yourself?

40 years ago you would have been crying about how “the Blacks” want to commit genocide against the white South Africans and denying that they were colonizers too

the two situations are the same but everyone today knows that the South African example would be obviously racist.

The two situations are MASSIVELY different.

Whites had no business being in SA in the first place, especially as colonisers.

Whereas Jews/Israelites lived in the Palestine Region for at least 2600 years before Israel and Palestine became a thing.

Go read the 2017 charter instead of assuming the people you think are below you match the caricature you have of them in your head.

OK, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and let you explain it to me.

Let's even ignore the fact that Hamas keeps flinging dumb rockets at Israel non-stop. Let's even pretend that the recent attack was "an inside job" or something.

How are they going to "restore the lands of Palestine", defined as "everything between the river Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea" without literally making Israel non-existent, thus eradicating it?

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 hours ago

I asked you as a hypothetical. It was meant to verify the cause for your gross historical ignorance and genocidal tendencies.

"I wasn't being ableist! I was just saying that mental disability causes 'genocidal tendencies'"

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

I asked you as a hypothetical. It was meant to verify the cause for your gross historical ignorance and genocidal tendencies.

lmao, weak deflection. You assumed I was "bad" because of a mental disability as a hypothetical. There's a word for that, it's "ableism", the same as if you had hypothetically asked if I was the r-slur (because it means the same thing as an insult).

I'm not reading all that. Death to "Israel", death to Europe, death to empire, death to colonialism, free Palestine.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You assumed I was “bad” because of a mental disability as a hypothetical

I didn't assume anything, hence the question, not a statement. That's how questions work. You imagining it being a statement is yet another example of your approach of just fighting invented arguments.

I’m not reading all that

So, nothing really changed, has it?

Death to “Israel”, death to Europe, death to empire, death to colonialism

Like I said: you're an extremist fundamentalist and a proponent of genocide. I'm glad you finally just flat out admitted it.

free Palestine

At least in this we agree, I guess.

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Still an ableist, still a racist, Death to “Israel”, death to Europe, death to empire, death to colonialism, free Palestine.

Ignoring your inability to tell the difference between "death to a political entity" and "death to the entire population", very funny that you think "death to empire" and "death to colonialism" are "genocidal". Oh no, won't someone think of the poor white people colonizing, stealing, and committing genocide?

free Palestine

At least in this we agree, I guess.

You can keep lying to yourself.