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For clarity, I basically summarized the points of State and Rev.
It cannot be, the point is that in socialism, the proletariat exploits the bourgeoisie and gradually appropriates its property.
Correct, but only the secondary and small/medium industries at most, as in China, or practically nothing at all, as in the USSR post-NEP (except, of course, for the cooperative farms). By holding the commanding heights of the economy, the proletariat holds the economy in general, and has the bourgeoisie's hands tied.
The state was in a state of withering. It was not exploiting itself, but the proletariat was in control of the economy, and abolishing class. It wasn't until revisionism took root that corruption began to start undermining the system.
I don't really agree, but that's fine. Cooperatives can certainly be a part of socialism, for example Huawei is a cooperative, but it isn't a prerequisite IMO.
I just want to say one of the reasons I quite like my experience on lemmy (at least the instances I most frequent communities on) is this right here. A lot of the time when I see disagreement between users in my frequented communities they:
I'm not saying I don't see these things, its just not the primary thing I see as compared to other sites.
Thank y'all for having a very insightful and positive conversation.
Thanks for the kind words!
Huawei is a worker owned corporation and not a cooperative. Worker cooperatives operate on a strict "one-member, one-vote" democratic basis with profits shared by labor. Worker-owned corporations may be owned by employees but often distribute voting power and profits based on capital investment (shares) rather than democratic equity. The important distinction here is the democracy in the workplace where workers are directly in charge of their labor decisions and own the means of production.
I see more what you mean, from what I've seen those specific requirements are just a feature of some cooperatives, not definitional to them, but for the sake of the point I know what you mean better now. I don't think cooperatives are an essential prerequisite for socialism, and can be a part of socialism like agricultural cooperatives in the PRC, or Venezuela's communes, but aren't strictly necessary for socialism.