cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7760707
"Death to Germany because they say their reason for existing is to support 'Israel'^[Not a joke, they call this "Staatsräson".]? That's genocidal against Germans."
Sorry, but I don't care about your colonizer fragility.
Out of curiosity. If your home was stolen by government backed militia death squads and you and your family were put in concentration camps before being shipped to an open air prison. If then those same militiamen were to routinely encroach on the prison to continue to beat, rape and murder men women and children with impunity while they continue to steal land and at the same time your children were tries in military court for throwing rocks at the prison wall would you not join the resistance?
If you were a slave would you not strike a blow to kill your master and gain your freedom?
Acting like the violence the oppressors inflict upon the oppressed and the liberatory violence the oppressed must use to free themselves is the same is peak colonial mentality and you should really do some introspection
This should be the first things a lot of lemmitors read in the morning and the last thing they read before sleeping. A lot of westerners in general, in fact.
Whenever "discourse" like this comes up I am reminded of a specific clip of Kwame Ture. In it some white lib tries to catch him out with some bs gotcha about leftwing or liberatory violence I don't remember exactly. Ture responds along the lines of:
The guy is visibly embarrassed. Which always makes me think that most of these people know (at least deep down) that liberatory and oppressive violence are fundamentally different but they also realise they are part of the oppressors so to accept this is to accept that violence against them can be justified. Which is a scary thought.
Most of us don't like violence, believe me, we'd love it if the settlers stopped the genocide, returned the stolen homes, paid reparations and helped rebuild the place, etc. The problem is that Israel is incapable and unwilling of any of this, they keep stealing homes to this day and they won't stop until they have all the land or until the international community makes them stop.
Hamas is a national liberation movement. If Palestinians were treated as people it'd have never gotten this bad, but it's the logical reaction when you dehumanize people, dismantle their less extreme organizations and keep killing children. Have you never seen that? They kill the children. Of course people will grab guns and try to protect their community. I know a guy (not close to him) who lost about thirty relatives just months after October 7, imagine losing branches of your family tree because they decided to conduct an extermination campaign against you for being part of an ethnic group.
This situation isn't complicated at all. There are people who we've been taught to see as non-human, who are being genocided as we speak. They're not any less human than you or me. And no matter how misleading the media is in their framing, Palestinians deserve their freedom, their children deserve to be alive long enough to grow and build their own lives, all of them deserve peace and respect, bodily autonomy and sovereignty. And the solution to violence is never genocide.
And that's more important than palestinian lives?
Sarkha intensifies
"Listen we can't stop doing genocide because people might call us antisemites."
These are the ideological titans of German liberalism. The vanguard of feddit.org.
This makes me think of the image of Spongebob with a German flag pin looking smug straightening out a nameplate in front of him labeled "#1 Genocide Understander". I can't find it now, lol.
Israel can only exist by murdering Palestinians and stealing their land. Hamas is a reaction to settler-colonial genocide, and this genocide is materially aided by Germany. Germany can stop supplying Israel with tools for genocide.
Every word I said was true, you're repeating blatant hasbara.
You do, by supporting Israel's right to exist. Israel is a settler-colony on stolen land, it has to commit genocide in order to exist.
Hamas' goal is Palestinian liberation, and their enemy is not Jewish people, but Israel as a genocidal settler-colony. Hamas was formed as a response to genocide.
This is a conspiracy theory. Surrounding areas oppose Israel and support Palestinian liberation because Israel is a terrorist micro-state. The purpose of Israel is to fight enemies of western imperialism in West Asia.
In other words, you're saying Palestinians should leave and let their land be fully colonized. Egypt is absolutely complicit, but your argument is that Palestinians should flee their land and that it's rightfully Israel's.
No wonder Feddit.org was defederated by dbzer0 for being infested with Zionists.
You support Israel by not supporting Palestine. I support Palestnian liberation and Palestinians, not Zionism and genocide like you do. Pretty clear-cut. You have to understand the Nakba, the deals the founding Zionists made with the Nazis, the role Israel plays today with respect to western interests, and more.
Germany is actively supplying the IDF with weapons used to murder hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. By taking an inactive stance, saying you support neither Palestine nor Israel, you are just watching Germany help slaughter hundreds of thousands of innocents. You're a Zionist, plain and simple, and it isn't due to emotions but due to your deliberate inaction.
If you've ever wondered what you would be doing if you lived during the reign of the Nazis and the Holocaust, you're doing it now. Your country is facilitating genocide and you're busy trying to paint the resistance to genocide as terrorists so as to justify the genocide.
Yeah sure think that if you want.
You sound like someone desperate extremist who is trying to split people because only your opinion is the correct one....
German fascist coping
I'm desparate to stop genocide, while you seem happy to stand back and watch it happen. Personally, I think it's more extremist to sit back and watch genocide than to try to stop it.
Edit: Hello MWoG crowd, how's the Nazi bar over there doing? Still caping for Zionism?
Tell that to the Uyguhrs...
"Uyguhrs"
Western fascists aren't even trying anymore.
The Uyghur genocide is a fabrication by a German evangelical on a self proclaimed "mission from god to destroy china" pushed by the US government regime change NGO's like the NED. People like you water down the term genocide every time you repeat ridiculous propaganda like this.
This theory sounds interesting.... Any more on this?
The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective's Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is explicitly pro-PRC, but this is an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims.
You should look into Adrian Zenz German evangelical. Also Rushan Abbas is another interesting one, alleged Uyghur activist actual Guantanamo bay interegator.
Isn't (or wasn't) she also the reddit content manager who decided what did and didn't get banned?
I don't know about that but what I do remember is a few years ago she tried to do an AMA on ~~reddit~~ stormfront to push her bs and even stormfront users were calling her out on it.
I think I'm maybe mixing up her AMA with a different CIA/NED person who had that position at reddit.
Highly likely or she also has a lucrative part time job outside of torturing Guantanamo victims and lying about being an activist.
There is no genocide of Uyghurs. Uyghur genocide atrocity propaganda akin to claiming that there's "white genocide" in South Africa, Christian genocide in Nigeria, or that Hamas sexually assaulted babies in Operation Al-Aqsa Flood.
In the case of Xinjiang, the area is crucial in the Belt and Road Initiative, so the west backed sepratist groups in order to destabilize the region. China responded with vocational programs and de-radicalization efforts, which the west then twisted into claims of "genocide." Nevermind that the west responds to seperatism with mass violence, and thus re-education programs focused on rehabilitation are far more humane, the tool was used both for outright violence by the west into a useful narrative to feed its own citizens.
The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective's Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is explicitly pro-PRC, but this is an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims.
I also recommend reading the UN report and China's response to it. These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does.
Tourists do go to Xinjiang all the time as well. You can watch videos like this one on YouTube, though it obviously isn't going to be a comprehensive view of a complex situation like this.
Spoken like someone who clearly hasn't bothered to fact check that lmao. You just want an excuse to not care about the extermination of Palestinians, absolutely ghoulish.
"Me using a made up genocide to deflect from the real genocide of Palestinians has NOTHING to do with Palestinians!!!! I am very smart"
Dehumanizing communists, classic fash behavior.
How so? I directly answered your claims of Uyghur genocide, and directly pointed out your dehumanization of communists. Do you have anything beyond dehumaniziation of communists and vague accusations with no sources?
In communist lemmy you can't even spread easily disproven propaganda 😡😡😡
"Death camps?" Are you referring to the soviet prisons in general as "death camps?" An enormous number of prison deaths occured during World War II, when famine was widespread due to the Nazis storming Ukraine, the USSR's breadbasket. On the whole, soviet prisons and the justice system itself were more progressive than their peers, Mary Stevenson Callcott documented it quite well in Russian Justice.
The soviet union, despite having a progressive legal system, was in a state of constant turmoil caused by pressures both external and internal. They couldn't simply delete all previously existing ruling-class people and ideology, class struggle continues under socialism. Further, pressure from the imperialist west, invasion both in threat and in action, and intentional sabateurs meant that the prisons certainly weren't empty. The soviet union never had a single year of normal, stable growth, free from intense opposition on the outside and counter-revolutionary forces on the inside.