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Apparently this will include Linux...

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[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The way this is written, it would just be a case of entering your age or DOB at account creation, which wouldn't be so bad. Indeed, this would be the kind of parent-empowering solution I'd like to see, since it kind of assumes the admin of a device (who sets up user accounts) is an adult who will enter the correct info for their kids.

Of course, there's always the concern they might try to push for adding 3rd party age attestation after the fact, with this being the thin end of the wedge. And it'd be a bit of a pain for the various linux distros to organise a compliant solution even IF it's just adding a new parameter to useradd and the associated "age signal" API for applications to query.

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

That's what it sounds to me. You just have to enter a date of birth, which I think puts parents in control of this, rather than shady websites.

Something that I, as a parent, really miss, is the ability to have some parental control without having to subject myself to horrifically broken systems like those from Microsoft and Google, which are just painful to use and don't offer any meaningful control. Minecraft has become almost impossible to use lately, and apparently it's going to get even worse.

More applications should have a simple child mode that connects it to a parent mode that allows the parent to keep an eye on what their kid is doing and enable or disable some features for them, but instead, they make it impossible to create an account, and if you do, you've got an account that can't do anything. It's broken and stupid and shouldn't be so difficult.

Maybe Linux could set a better example in this.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

associated “age signal” API for applications to query.

I'd just add an environment variable.
Nothing more required.

[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I suspect something the nonprivileged user can effortlessly change would be deemed insufficient. :P

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The user needs to tell the system what their age is, so if I get up and a 15yo sits on the computer, they need to change the environment variable before starting any program.
No need for higher privs.

[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In every OS I know of including linux, you need admin/su rights to create a user account. If the age is tied to the account that at least prevents tampering without admin/su access.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But does the law require that?
From the interpretations I have seen, it doesn't even require real verification, just a way to tell the app, the age of the user.

[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Honestly I'm not sure. I feel like I'd want that as a parent tho, personally.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

So as a parent, you want every person on planet Earth, making a software, to bear the burden of making sure your child cannot use their software without your consent?


You already have the option to buy something with parental controls.
You can also pay someone to add a parental control feature into an Open Source OS and install it for you.

But you'd rather use the politician?

[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, no. I'm aware there are other options. But if the govt is mandating something, I'd rather it made sense. Demanding everyone set an env var is nonsense.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

if the govt is mandating something

I'd rather the govt. not go around mandating stuff that only empowers those who want to use it as an excuse for mass-AI-voyeurism.

[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sadly I don't think that's on the cards. :(

I will object when this BS heads out my way eventually, of course. But if some law gets passed requiring the OS to be able to tell programs the age of the user, I would vastly prefer it just be something set by the sysadmin at account creation, and that the user not be able to change it themself. That last part mainly because if the user can change it themself, even braindead politicians will realise it is not doing anything and they will legislate something else. Probably something worse.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I'm pretty sure that won't be the case.
Their real intent won't be to enforce it on self-installable systems, but more like, to enable companies to make that thing mandatory on systems that they sell.
And since the companies want to do so, they will use it to create a "verification" system that helps them feed people's everyday face data to AI, to enable doing studies on people's face changes depending upon various stimuli that said companies will be collectively applying to those people.


e.g.

  • if you have a period and it is showing on your face, then the next time you need to pick up your phone, the AI will know you have one.
  • you got a tattoo anywhere visible, now they know that
  • they know the rate at which your facial hair grows and how much you get it cut, so when you open your phone after shaving/trimming/salon-stuff, the company now has that in its database

This is corresponding to PayPal et al. starting with requiring a selfie to "verify" that it's you.
Well guess what happens when one of those AI companies gets an order from someone that wants to systematically frame you for paying for something illegal via PayPal? They get the highest quality AI selfie generated such that even your mother won't know it isn't you.
Oh and don't go on saying they won't want to do that. Cell Phone service providers will make fake claims of their customers having activated VAS, just for a few extra pennies a month (this is already happening, even without AI).

[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Yeah okay.

Didn't know paypal were doing that…