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I live in a country that went from Imperial control to almost fully Socialist (except for the Police, which are mostly tamed bullies) and is now rapidly progressing towards Capitalism (probably because anyone that refuses to do so, gets on the offside of US).
And PRC qualifies as neither Socialist nor Capitalist.
If it's not on the list, it isn't socialist. As for the PRC, public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and the working classes control the state, it's socialist by definition.
I find it hard to believe that the majority of the working class people consider territorial expansion to be good for anyone in this age.
China isn't expansionist, though.
I find it hard to believe that China is engaged in territorial expansion when it hasn't dropped a single bomb in 35 years
Or do mean the border dispute with India? Because that's an artifact of the British drawing shitty borders and imposing them on subjugated people and those people have not established an effective framework for redressing the problem yet
Nepal
Why did the British not colonise Nepal
Detaining citizen in Shanghai, if it's Chinese citizen, why need VISA? If it's an Indian citizen, why detain?
Forget British, forget military occupation. What decides who is worthy of controlling a place?
I believe, one that is there during hard times 2 3. PDF
And considering how China tried to cut off downstream from Tsang Po, even if I were to assume China controlled all of Indian territory, that act doesn't make Chinese government particularly desirable. And if we consider that China doesn't control said territory, then that makes China a bad neighbour at best and an incompetent governor at worst.
See, I am not very patriotic. I am fine with whatever the name of my country is. But the difference between how the land resources are controlled and distributed over the years, make me seem like China will end up being a worse Central Govt. than India (which isn't particularly great already), for the given territory.
Are you actually arguing that the PRC would govern territory materially worse than the Indian Union does today? That China’s central state has demonstrated lower developmental capacity, weaker redistribution, and poorer integration of peripheral regions than India? If that is your stance, then it requires empirical support, because the comparative data point in the opposite direction.
Over the last four decades, China has eliminated extreme poverty at a national scale recognized even by multilateral institutions. It has built dense transport networks into frontier regions, universalized basic electrification, and industrialized at a speed unprecedented in modern history. Per capita infrastructure stock, manufacturing capacity, high-speed rail coverage, and energy generation all exceed India’s by large margins.
India remains characterized by deep regional inequality, persistent rural poverty, underemployment, and infrastructure gaps especially in peripheral areas such as the Northeast. State capacity for large-scale mobilization and coordinated development is structurally weaker. Growth has been significant, but uneven, and heavily mediated through private capital rather than centralized planning mechanisms.
If the question is resource distribution, China’s fiscal transfer system and central planning apparatus have demonstrated stronger equalization effects between coastal and inland regions than India’s center–state fiscal balance has achieved. If the question is infrastructure delivery, China’s record is quantitatively superior. If the question is poverty reduction, the scale difference is like that of an ant versus the sky.
You can criticize aspects of governance in both systems. But to assert that China would be a “worse central government” in developmental terms is not supported by comparative political economy.
No, I am not at all calling China's capabilities low in terms of creating a war machine.
I am talking in terms of how quality of life has been affected by either of them in places which both countries are calling as their own (see my points in the above comment). While China tries to call Arunachal Pradesh and parts of J&K and its people as under itself, India is what sends the disaster relief resources, whereas China considers blocking natural resources to try and increase discontent of the people living in those areas.
China took longer than India to even admit the increasing air-quality problems in high pollution states,^[although for both countries, the actual metrics being used to report them hardly align with actual types of pollutants and the mitigations in response have been "too little too late" for both] which shows me that the govt. doesn't like admitting facts. And personally, I am fine working with people who fail a lot, as long as they are consistent in communication and don't try mixing lies into reports. Because trustability is an important part of any relationship, which also applies to governments.^[The main reasons I give flak to US govt and organisations is due to their lack of consistency, which makes them very less trustworthy.]
And I am not even going to point out the actual quality of buildings that you might have been a part of your metrics, simply because I expect enough people to have pointed those (and other similar conditions out to you).
While Indian buildings aren't particularly great either, I am in a 10+ year old building which was not designed for earthquakes and has still not cracked (much less collapsed into a death trap) despite multiple of those.
Then comes the destruction of values over the years. China has had a rich culture of thousands of years and any such civilisation develops values and traditions that are conductive to longevity.
But the recent values shown by adults (not even children) from China has indicated an erosion of older values that were developed over the centuries in China. This is not something that happens easily without intervention from higher powers (and I am inclined to think it was the govt, unless you know of any other power that might have to gain from activities that cause this side-effect).
While there has been quite a lot of food adulteration problems in India, there are some lines that people would not cross. Specially the working class (who actually care about values unlike the business class) would never. But the normal people that seem to come out of China to set examples, don't seem to be doing any good for its reputation.
Ah you're a reactionary spouting tofu dreg and other nonsense. You should try look into things outside your nationalist bubble.
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China’s comparative advantage over the past forty years has been poverty eradication, infrastructure build-out, electrification, and industrial capacity. Reducing that to militarism is either ignorance or bad faith. Where's your high speed rail? Where are your clean streets? Why is your literacy so low? Why do you have so many shanty towns? Why do your tech expos have to pretend Chinese tech is Indian invented?
India administers those territories. Of course it sends relief? Are you an idiot?
There is no evidence that China has cut off Brahmaputra flow to manufacture discontent. The projects are run-of-river. Seasonal fluctuations are monsoon-driven. You are asserting intent without evidence. That is speculation.
China’s PM2.5 levels have declined substantially since 2013 after aggressive regulatory intervention. India today has multiple cities ranking among the most polluted globally by annual average concentration. If the metric is environmental turnaround after crisis recognition, China’s trend line is steeper. You are ignoring trajectory and focusing on narrative.
“Tofu dreg” is a meme, not a dataset. China has built the largest high-speed rail network on earth, thousands of kilometers of expressways, and entire metropolitan regions within two decades. Failures exist, as in India, collapsed bridges, unsafe housing, infrastructure accidents. Anecdotes do not overturn macro-level engineering capacity.
I bet you love those caste values as you beat those dalits to keep them in line.
Yeah a border dispute over a few hundred acres. Please don't use words like "territorial expansion" when discussing a few hundred acres along a contentious border that has historically been undefined and only in modern times have there been an attempt to make them fixed.
It started with a few metres in some cases and has been going on at multiple fronts.
Perhaps PRC needs to stop expecting people to forget the past and start noticing how they contradict their own self.
The tensions have been created by PRC's "an inch a day" tactics, which I honestly see as nothing more than petty (and I am saying this, knowing full well than PRC would want to call India "petty", to help them get more fake points).
For Nepal
And if it really was just about a "few hundred acres" and PRC really worked with a Socialist philosophy, then they would:
a) Not really need to worry about Nepal (a pretty small country with hardly any military power) being any sort of a threat that would require putting effort to take a small amount of land. b) Consider how the small amount of land would hardly make a difference to the people of China, while it would make a big difference to a country with was lesser land than China.
And that is where the inconsistency I talk about, comes in place.
Nepal is an otherwise docile country and I am pretty confident they would have been happy to have partial open borders with some kind of trade treaties in that area.
As such, while you try to play it down by calling it "contentious", Nepal was trying to hide any such transfer or annexation, fearing what exactly? If it were really fairly claimed, there wouldn't be a real reason for that, no?
You do realize that the border is with Tibet, right? An autonomous region within China that has never been recognized as a state with firm boundaries in all of human history. The border is contentious because borders are contentious. As much as you might not like border disputes, there is nothing socialist or anti-socialist about having border disputes. Nepal doesn't want to make a big diplomatic stink over the situation. You want to psychologize them as fearful of China and therefore China isn't socialist?
You're not making any sense. China is not engaged in imperial capitalist expansion simply because there's a few hundred acres being built on by the TAR along their own border in ways that violate the border. That's a resolvable tension and doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
He's an Indian nationalist he's not going to make sense when it comes to China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_imperialism
Oh hey, I got you mad enough to chase me around now, eh? Welcome! I like that your primary beef with me is that you think I can't read but then you post this particular link. Very well done! Do continue, please.
mad? nah, I just want to annoy you some more. it's low hanging fruit, I know, but I also know you can't help but angrily try to debate me.
I'm not angry, Lu. I'm just disappointed
you have a pathological need to have the last word, don't you?
Absolute comedy gold
it is, isn't it?
Lmao you should check the sources on natopedia before you post. Western tabloids and government spin off NGO's.
the article sources multiple Asian communist parties. you should, as you said, check the sources. but go on, give us your best No True Scotsman.
The Nation, The Diplomat, Center for European Policy Analysis, The Week, Jamestown Foundation, The central Asian caucus analyst, The Japan times, The Guardian, transnational institute, The Washington post, the daily telegraph, Harvard international review, financial times, the times of India, the Carnegie endowment, Nikkei Asia, the economic times, lowly institute, New York Times, the wall Street journal, human rights watch, foreign policy, BBC, Tibetan review, Taipei times.
I wonder if something ties all these sources together? Maybe an ideological alignment? People like you give anarchists a bad name.
there you go. for a No True Scotsman, that wasn't bad.
nice of you to forget to mention those sources quoting communist party members.
you're staning a dictator from a platform whose admins support a transphobic dev. to be perfectly honest, I don't give a shit what you think about "people like me". and I wouldn't, even if tankies didn't view anarchists as expendable fodder and enemies of the state. the fact of your mere association with your instance is enough to tar you with the stain of their bigotry.
Pointing out imperial aligned sources aren't socialist and have a narrative is no true Scotsman? Are you sure you know what that phrase means? Might as well just link a Radio Free Asia article cut the natopedia middleman.
You are disgusting calling me transphobic for simply using this site. Also what dictator am I stanning? I am simply calling out your lazy source that is clearly filled with American propaganda sources. If you take American propaganda outlets at face value you shouldn't call yourself an anarchist you're a lib. One who is severely detached from history and reality at that. I don't support the Devs? I have never donated and there are no ads? I don't know them personally. You seem like a shitty person and a petulant child.
the source is a communist party. repeating a lie doesn't make it true. stop ignoring communists just because they don't agree with your emotional viewpoint.
I don't believe I ever said that. if you feel that's what I said, then perhaps you're just expressing your subconscious feelings of guilt. no need to drag me into that. you should calm down and consider your actions. try to do better, people like you give communists a bad name.
Fuck you. Stop lying. Try be a better person.
allow me to quote myself clearly not calling your transphobic. you are stained by association with them, for sure. but you are trying to twist my words into something that they are not because you clearly are not feeling well.
I am a better person than you will ever be, simply for not defending authoritarian regimes.
🤣 You are so far from a serious person. I wish you the best in life and hope you maturebas you age. 🤣
They simp for regimes because they are colored red. Marx said imperialism is good when they do it, famously.
And China will only call it "resolvable" as long as the resolution ends up with them getting more area.
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