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Hi there, I’m looking to get into self-hosting for privacy reasons and I wanted to ask y’all: how inadvisable is it to utilize an ISP-owned router/modem? I feel like they’re able to track everything I do online with their more than likely integrated spyware.

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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 8 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Even if you control your router/modem, they still control the other end, it connects to. And some more infrastructure along the path. So i think it depends a bit where you're going with this. If you're worried about them doing packet inspection, or logging IP numbers you connect to, I don't think there's a big difference. They could do it anywhere. And they'll likely do it in some datacenter.

A router interfaces with your local network, though. So in theory a router can be used to connect to your internal devices and computers and maybe you have an open network share without password protection or something like that. But we're talking violating your constitutional rights here. It's highly illegal in most jurisdictions to enter your home and go through your stuff.

I'll buy my own router because I can then configure it to my liking. And my ISP charges way too much for renting one. And what I also do is not use my ISP's DNS service. That'd just send every domain name I open to their logfiles. Instead I use one from OpenNIC

[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Instead I use one from OpenNIC

Fast? How would it compare to the evil Cloudflare?

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

I did one DNS query and it took 22 msec with the nearest OpenNIC server and 24 msec with Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1
So dunno... roughly same responsiveness? Maybe OpenNIC is a tad faster? For a proper answer we'd need to do more measurements, though. And with OpenNIC you definitely need to pick a good server, not just any random one. They'll have different locations, different policies and they're in widely different datacenters.

[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 1 points 52 minutes ago (1 children)

That makes sense, since you're in EU and opennic is in DE.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 42 minutes ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago) (1 children)

Isn't it a global effort? According to what I see, they list a bunch of servers in all Europe, USA, Canada, Australia, ...Japan?!

[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 1 points 34 minutes ago (1 children)

Of the tier 1 servers, 2 are in DE and 2 are in USA.

You won't really hit tier2 unless you're trying to hit very specific records.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 25 minutes ago

I don't think you're supposed to query Tier 1 servers as a client. I keep forgetting how DNS and recursive lookup works, but the Tier 2 servers would be what people connect to and who do the heavy lifting. The Tier 1 do the root, authoritative stuff and their custom TLDs.

[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I'll have to check it out. Thanks.