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It's optional not to buy a car but it certainly limits your access to things.
New is the key word here.
Buying new boosts sales metrics, incentives investors & management, and is blissful consumerism.
We should be boycotting all companies that we don't agree with. And NVIDIA is a department of war contractor and American Regime mega donor.
If you actually need something, and it's possible to need a GPU, then you can buy second hand from within your community. Try to buy as local as possible, look for things like surplus office equipment or at local repair shops.
In your example of a car, buying a used car is also better than buying a new car in many ways, especially since cars made before 2014 were not able to surveil you.
Boycott bad companies / practices, and stop consuming the latest slop they put in the trough.
That's fair, it isn't how i read it but i can see it's importance now you've pointed it out.
This is nice in theory but the practical application is difficult.
I can get into it, but it's a common conversation i have on here, almost all of modern society is built on horrific shit, where is the line?
Is it first order disagreements like this NVIDIA boycott, or is it second order as well ? Meaning any company that willingly works with NVIDIA or explicitly buys new NVIDIA gpu's ?
It's not a trick question, I'm trying to gauge what you meant by that statement.
To be clear, i'm not saying to do nothing, i'm trying to figure out where your line is and why.
That's fair, though i would add a caveat to say "where possible"
As a concrete example, GPU's right now are ridiculous which means the secondhand market is tight, if your timeframe/need is also tight then it might not be possible to always do the "right thing™".
Agreed.
Why pick 2014, was there some regulatory requirement introduced then ?
See my question about lines above.
I think these are all good questions to ask ourselves.
It's going to depend on your interest or ability to research. However, if one were to simply buy used items when possible, or choose a brand one thinks aligns with themselves after some research, I think that's a good start.
If one thinks they might need compromise their morals, I think they should really consider their options. I'd rather pay full price for an old used GPU than give nvidia any money, but that's my personal opinion.
I think this is just because car companies weren't yet starting to surveil their drivers as part of a new revenue stream until 2014. You can read more about it.
Personally, I've removed myself from the American market about as much as I can while still living in the USA.
I've divested from American stocks.
I try to make/grow my own whenever possible, and rely on my local community more. I even started a community regenerative farm.
If I do think I need to buy something new, I try to either buy European, Japanese, or from a few other choice markets depending on the product, like South America for specialty wood and coffee direct from as small a manufacturer as possible.
Homespun movement
I don't expect everyone to live like this, not everyone has the luxury. But I do hope people atleast try to not pay companies that harm them.
Agreed.
Tony's Chocolonely is a good example of this, it's not that they are 100% there but they explain why certain decisions were made so i can decide for myself if it's enough.
An example
I do know what you mean, i'm just not 100% sure where the morals/ethics line is supposed to go.
I'm not amoral it just seems like people arbitrarily draw lines and they seem so certain.
I'm not sure where that certainty comes from, because i don't have it.
interesting, thanks.
I kind of agree, but this is the kind of thing i mean, almost all companies harm them in some way, from business practices to supply chain, workforce, political donations, equipment purchases, environmental concerns.
I'm not a crazy person, i understand there is a difference between the local corner store buying a bigger truck than they need vs bezos draining whole water tables so he can buy another spaceship, it's just how people pick the hills to die on in the middle that's confusing to me.
I have something i use but it's contextual and inconsistent and by no means gives me the kind of certainty i see in other people.
God forbid going without if it doesn't mean contributing to something shit. Or whatever integrity and conviction is.
I'd advise you to think of that next time you use any electronics or eat any meat products or chocolate or coffee, drive your car (if you have one).
... wear anything by most of the major clothes or trainer brands , buy anything from amazon or use any of their services, use google services or facebook or instagram or tiktok...or whatsapp.
If you want to argue about selective integrity and conviction , I'm willing to hear your position.
I wasn't saying buying GPU's is good, i was saying that the argument that they are optional is weak.
It's not complete, but I have already removed some of those things you mentioned and others from my life for better or worse.
You know what, i applaud your efforts.
I suspect you're doing a way better job of it than me, it's way more difficult than a lot of people give it credit for.
Yeah if you need your GPU to go to the shops, or to work, or to visit your family, that would certainly suck.
It's possible to need a GPU for work and other functions. But you never need a new anything.
Putting aside the fact that i was in no way claiming you could do all the exact same things with a car as you could with a GPU.
There are in fact jobs that require a dedicated gpu.
No, but you likened lacking a GPU to lacking a care in terms of stuff you would thereby be unable to do. I was making the comparison explicit.
I certainly did not say that nobody needs a GPU for their work.
Fair enough
Limits your access to impound lots and repo men.
Jobs, social activities, entertainment, groceries, non-emergency medical care.
Don't get me wrong, cars are a shitty necessity to have, but they are a necessity in some places.
If you want to argue that society should change so this isn't true, I'm right there with you, but it's not the reality of now.
I lived well into my 30s without a car. Saved me enough money to buy a house. Not a down payment. buy.
So I'm going to check first, you understand that there are jobs and/or situations that require a car right ?
Edit: I phrased that poorly, not an attack, genuine question.