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Some of you need to watch this video, and hang your head in shame.

Dylan Taylor has been receiving constant harassment, including threats to his life and safety, for actions done collectively by SystemD. The article by Sam Bent was explictly mentioned as part of the harassment campaign, and rightfully so.

I don't think enough people realize that this is catastrophically bad. It'll discourage people from becoming open source developers, it'll discourage people from using Linux, and it'll discourage legislators from taking the Linux community seriously.

If you ever wished ill upon another human being for complying with a relatively inconsequential law, you are better off never touching a computer again. The Linux community has collectively gone so far beyond what is acceptable here.

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[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 71 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (27 children)

I’m going to bullet my thoughts on this whole thing because I’m annoyed by the general response, and the implementation as well:

  • I don’t wish harm on the dev and I don’t dislike them. I don’t even know them
  • Death threats are ridiculous; that’s the working class attacking itself again
  • That said, I want to know what compelled this dev to preemptively implement this field not in 1 but in 2 separate PRs
  • Both the field and the law itself do not serve the user at all; it’s a bullshit vague law that is using children as cover—again (I’m old enough to know how this game works)
  • I’ve always viewed Linux as the rebel among all of the corporate slop we have to constantly dodge, so it is super gross when I see changes in Linux that were made to appease laws built and pushed by fascist tech companies and governments
  • Did the dev even open a line of discussion anywhere, or was the PR supposed to be used for that?
  • What’s his motivation? Money? Fame? I’ve been a programmer for 20 years and I’d never jump on a chance to add something that aligns with laws I think are unethical dog shit—especially in the Linux space where the whole goal is to not be Windows
  • I’m a bit frustrated with the casual “what’s the big deal?” mindset that a lot of people I’ve encountered have about this. Are we not living through the same timeline where the US has fallen under the control of a fascist regime that is being eagerly assisted by Meta, Apple, Microsoft and a ton of other massive corporations? How do people not see that this is the beginning of the wedge? And let’s say it peters out and nothing else happens. I’m not going to be ashamed of the fact that I was a squeaky wheel over it because I’ve seen how these things go. You follow the money and suddenly the bigger picture comes into focus. Why on earth a meager single little dev would implement this, unprompted, is just beyond my reasoning.

This reminds me of when Guillermo Rauch from Vercel praised Trump multiple times. Bro, you’re not Tim Cook. You’re not Ellison, Zuck, or Musk. You’re not even on their level. You’re not going to get on their radar. I have PTSD from fellow tech folks being weirdly aligned with fascism and this whole dumb thing is giving me that vibe again. I don’t think this is that 1:1, but this is like the metal scene. You have to dodge the fascists that seem to weirdly permeate corners of the culture. People that refuse and get annoyed by right-wing labels, but still help right-wing grifters, are their own unique brand of pathetic.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 0 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (6 children)

What’s his motivation? Money? Fame?

Why does anybody submit changes to any project? Probably a wide variety of reasons.

I’ve been a programmer for 20 years and I’d never jump on a chance to add something that aligns with laws I think are unethical dog shit—especially in the Linux space where the whole goal is to not be Windows

I hope that you can see that there are people who see this addition as being not a big deal: optional field, no verification, GECOS fields already storing 'realName', 'location', etc.

It doesn't seem like a huge stretch to understand why a person would submit a simple update when they don't think it's of world changing significance.

I’m a bit frustrated with the casual “what’s the big deal?” mindset that a lot of people I’ve encountered have about this.

I'm one of those people so maybe I can help.

Are we not living through the same timeline where the US has fallen under the control of a fascist regime that is being eagerly assisted by Meta, Apple, Microsoft and a ton of other massive corporations?

Yes, we are. That's why I don't use their software or services. The major, and most important, reason why this isn't a big deal to me is that Apple, Meta and Microsoft don't choose the software that is part of my system. We're not in commercial software land, this is the FOSS world. Here, I get to choose what happens on my system because I am the one in completely control.

If a project decides that I have to submit to age verification then I simply won't use their project, it's just that simple. But, that is not what is happening here. There is no verification of any sort, nor is the operation of systemd affected by this field in ANY way.

I don't buy the slippery slope argument that's being presented around this topic which makes the change seem like the beginning of fascisim or the end of privacy or whatever other hyperbolic situations that people are breathlessly inventing to justify their outrage.

We already have fields to store personal data and those fields are optional and rarely used. They exist because they are needed in some cases and in the cases where they are not needed they do not do anything. The birthDate field is exactly the same as the realName field in that sense. It only does something if you choose to install software that uses it.

This field will NEVER affect you unless you choose to install software on your system that requires it.

What's happening here is that people are treating this single JSON field as a stand-in for age verification. It is not. If someone wants to meaningfully fight age verification laws then they need to involve themselves in politics instead of social media brigading and harassment campaigns against developers.

In my view, this 'situation' exists because it allows hoards of people to appear to be 'doing something' without actually doing anything. It's low effort activisim. People find it much easier to write self-righteous and hyperbolic comments and to get into internet fights than to do the hard work required to affect the politicians and laws that are passed.

On top of this we have the signal boosting effect of trend following, clickbait-driven sites and content creators looking to boost ad revenue by playing up outrage and drama.

I disagree with these laws, but this is not the hill where the battle is being fought. It is a pointless distraction and one that is being used to actively target a person for harm.

Nothing is going to happen on your system unless you choose to let it happen. No software update by any project will ever change this.

The only thing that will change it, and the thing that people should focus on, are the laws in the places where they live.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 8 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

This field will NEVER affect you unless you choose to install software on your system that requires it.

If the field did not exist software could not be made to utilize it.

[–] kogasa@programming.dev 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Do you think that would prevent or discourage age verification software from existing? It's not as if a systemd user field is the only place a user's birthday could be stored.

Realistically, age verification software that is seriously attempting age verification isn't even going to touch the systemd field, because why would it? The field could only be trusted if it is managed by an age verification service anyway, in which case the service could just as easily store the data outside of systemd.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Who gets to decide what software should and should not be allowed to exist?

If someone wanted to store a birthDate (and, evidence exists to say that they do) then the most logical place to store that user detail is with all of the other user details... in systemd.

You can choose what you put on your system, that's the Free in FOSS. But, you cannot choose what other people put on their systems.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Its not leaving a lot of choice if it's part of systemd and I'd wager far more people do not want this than were asking for it. There's no benefit to it except for the government and corporations that want your data.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago

The field doesn't do anything by itself. There is zero harm inflicted on people using systemd. There are probably lots of features of systemd that you don't want or use and the entire negative effect that you suffer is a few megabytes less free storage space.

The only way the field would be used is if a person decided to use a different piece of software that wants a birthdate. If they don't choose to install such a program then the field is no more a danger than the realName or location fields. They have scary sounding labels but do absolutely nothing unless the user chooses to use them.

[–] liuther9@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

I ve got a feeling he wont change his mind. This kind of people are just too optimistic

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