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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/45445434

Fox News Senior Medical Analyst Marc Siegel made some eyebrow-raising comments lamenting that birth rates are down among teenagers aged 15 to 19.

On Thursday, the National Center for Health Statistics reported that the U.S. fertility rate fell to another record low. The agency reported that the number of births per 1,000 women of childbearing age declined from 53.8 in 2024 to 53.1 last year. The latest figure represents a continuation of a decades-long decline in fertility rates.

Siegel joined Friday’s edition of America’s Newsroom, where Dana Perino said that while the continuing trend is not surprising, “the numbers might feel a little shocking.”

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[–] LilRed@lemmy.org 69 points 1 day ago (23 children)

Who the fuck wants to be having kids in this day and age anyway. Also why is it up to the underage teens to push out babies to keep the population up. Yeah let's put pressure on them to ruin their entire lives before they even get to live it. Love the American standards.

[–] Steve@communick.news 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (16 children)

The dude was conflating a number of things.
Teen birth rate is down the most, at 7% in 2025. 70% since 2005. Overall births are down slightly last year.
Overall we have a sub replacement birth rate of 1.53 per woman.

The last one is a societal problem. But just saying we need women to have more kids isn't a solution. You need to find out why people don't want to have as many kids. Which I would bet is almost entirely economic. Kids are a large long term expense. And if you're living paycheck to paycheck, with an uncertain financial future, a kid is a scary prospect.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The problem is the sub replacement birth rate of 1.53 per woman.

This is not actually a problem, except we want to keep the completely unsustainable economic system unchanged.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So what's the alternative? Everyone's old and nobody produces anything? I kinda like having food and stuff and that's not fully automated yet.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

There is still a substantial amount of working age people in that scenario. They just need to be allocated to jobs that matter instead of made up bullshit like for instance the vast majority of medical insurance employees. We have enough labor available that we could live in a straight up utopia but instead much of it is oriented to perpetuating economic serfdom.

Think about it... We used to have a large proportion of people running households instead of working for money, but now we both have more automaton than ever and a higher percentage of people in the labor market, and we don't even work fewer hours.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Well running a household was also more than a full-time job.

If you're even talking about stuff like medical insurance employees, you're talking from one of the wealthiest countries in the world, where such bullshit jobs are more common and easier to justify economically. Everything you use comes from poorer countries which makes it seem like it doesn't take much labor to produce the stuff you use.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I was not disparaging homemaking. Now, many people have to scrape together that labor AND do a paid job, which is obviously a degradation in quality of life.

RE: rich country poor country - we have enough labor globally to make everyone happy and healthy globally. That quality of life is so different in different places is another symptom of the global system of economic serfdom.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 hours ago

Are you implying that everyone globally needs to be unified under one government to dictate which jobs they all do? Because good luck getting that government to represent everyone's needs.

[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

There's still a 1.53 replacement rate. That means if you just reallocate the people that idk, are currently making bombs to throw on other people (or other such things), to producing "food and stuff" instead, we'll definitely have enough food.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz -2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Defense indudstry in most countries is under 5% of all employees I'm pretty sure. And we also kinda need weapons to defend ourselves. Maybe you don't, but if Russia sends bombers here, it'd take a whole 5-10 minutes to reach my house from the moment they exit Russian airspace.

If anything, I think we should do away with the entertainment industry, liberal arts, etc. If anyone wants to produce art in their spare time that's fine, but everyone under 75 should be forced to work a real job. We could also mostly get rid of the auto industry since old people shouldn't be allowed to drive anyway so that's a good thing, but then that doesn't exist in most countries either so it's not really a great place for cutbacks in most of them.

I also propose cutting back on doctors and nurses in fields that disproportionately affect older people. Great way to reduce the burden on society.

OR we can just start slashing the social safety nets now. I'm paying into the national pension of the current old people now, but there are going to be no young people to pay my generation's. They're already raising the retirement age, but they'll have to start raising it faster.

[–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

NATO is pushing a commitment to a minimum of 5% of GDP on defense.

Which, admittedly even the USA does not do. But in the 60s it was north of 9%.

Most of the cost of things is the embedded cost of labor. Even minerals in a lot of cases. There are a lot of deposits of pretty much everything we could be mining but aren't because of the cost.

One business may only have 25% labor costs, but the suppliers also have labor costs, and their suppliers, all the way down the line. And 25% is on the low side. Even rent has labor costs embedded.

[–] Steve@communick.news -4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Economy or not, having one person who needs to take care of two elderly parents, themselves, and 0.75 kids isn't great. That's not the goal

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Society doesn't have to work that way.

[–] Steve@communick.news 4 points 1 day ago

Of course not. That's the point. We don't want it to work that way

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