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[–] tabris@lemmy.world 253 points 3 days ago (8 children)

“I guess apparently they had made a pledge to the public at large that they would make their club a safe space for all people, and that they would ban anything they deemed transphobic,” Chappelle reacted on his “The Midnight Miracle” podcast at the time. “This is a wild stance for an artistic venue to take, especially one that’s historically a punk rock venue.”

This guy doesn't understand any subculture, does he? The punks are, historically, very anti-fascist, and the ones I know are also some of the strongest queer allies I've ever met. And this guy is surprised that they didn't want his bigotry masquerading as humour.

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 144 points 3 days ago (2 children)

And it’s not like you can’t make jokes involving trans people, just don’t make jokes at the expense of trans people.

[–] Naich@piefed.world 75 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Humour doesn't punch down. That's just bullying.

[–] homes@piefed.world 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Humor doesn’t HAVE TO punch down. There can be good LGBTQ+ jokes that are inclusive and sensitive, and, yes, actually funny while including the community and everyone in the humor without being hurtful.

It takes skill and craft to create them, and to deliver them, but, yes, they can exist.

Edit: a big part of comedy is commenting on things one observes. And there is lots to observe and comment upon with queer culture. The key is to comment and observe without being a bigot. Sooo… with a queer eye, that’s fertile ground, and one can do much with that.

[–] ech@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If he talked to that "trans friend" he definitely has, maybe he could find out what being trans is actually like and incorporate meaningful material about it. But no, he's just another bigoted rich asshole now. All he can see is his own "struggles" and that the world is "out to get him".

*I was morbidly curious and looked up the transcript of his bit about her ('cause fuck listening to him) and wow, how does he think that is remotely supportive? He says the "magic" words ("trans women are women"), then spends the rest of the bit critiquing how well she passed, comparing her genitals to imitation meat, and lauding her for taking his and other people's abuse "well". Her only value seemed to be what she could provide to him. Also found out she committed suicide two years prior, so he's using a person as a shield/punching bag that can't even speak for herself. What a classless fucking move.

[–] homes@piefed.world 10 points 3 days ago

This is a dude who’s definitely been to a drag show. So he has heard queer humor. But he didn’t learn anything from it. That’s the problem.

[–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I feel like this punching model is like Newtonian physics. We do have relativity now, but you gotta take a higher-level class for that one.

[–] homes@piefed.world 2 points 3 days ago
[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

I think one of Dave’s mistakes is in thinking he didn’t have any “down.” His humor is brilliant and searing when it comes to being black. He’s done skits where he’s a slave. He sees himself as the historical victim of the ages and never imagined that anyone could take what he says as coming from above. Classic privilege blindness, and a great illustration of what that means intersectionally.

[–] searabbit@piefed.social 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But also, he needs to make jokes period. I saw his last special. If there were any punchlines following his ranting about the mean trans people bullying him online, I totally missed them.

[–] Epp@lemmus.org 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Right? I finished it sincerely wondering if it was intended to be comedy or not. There wasn't a single coherent joke in ninety minutes. Unless I was supposed to laugh that he bought a fire station and turned it into a club?

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The best comedians can roast a president right to his face. The best presidents can hear the roast and laugh at it.

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’m still convinced that Obama roasting Trump to his face at the WHCD in 2011 changed the course of history

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I think that is what made Trump decide to highjack the fascist movement in American that had been being cultivated for years. Who knows how ‘16 would’ve gone with Paul Ryan or whoever they trotted out against Hilary

[–] homes@piefed.world 74 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

The punks ~~were~~ are extremely LGBTQ+ acceptant, even as far back as the 60s and 70s

Queercore

That’s part of what ~~made~~ makes them so fucking hot… all that leather? Are you kidding me?

[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 7 points 3 days ago

🤯 I was today years old when I learned that...

[–] paper_moon@lemmy.world 54 points 3 days ago (2 children)

After not having a great time towards the end of highschool, I ended up spending most of my free time.between classes, in classes, and lunch, etc with the punk kids and the potheads. And they were some of the nicest and coolest fucking kids I've ever met. Super glad I had that experience because it definitely broke that propaganda fueled view I had of those two groups, for when i entered adulthood.

[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Kind of similar for me, except that even the punk people found me too weird/boring/annoying. They were nice about it but definitely not interested in spending time with me, just taking pity on me.

[–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Aww, haha.
I guess I can't really help, but I appreciate you. :p

Also, I was looking at your comment history because I was curious what kind of person you were. That guy activating his yugioh trap card and calling you a pedophile because you flippantly said 12-years and not 19 or whatever he wanted is so fucking funny. It didn't even make sense. That was like watching a bird glide into a glass window.

[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

Haha, yep, I got a lot of joy from that, too. Guy must've never heard of when puberty starts and what it's for.

Thanks for the kind words :) I'm alright now, but that teenager time was definitely quite wild/painful for me. I'm glad to have met so many amazing humans and appreciate people like you, too.

[–] ech@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's propaganda against punks? I mean, I know the mild "troublemakers" label most get, but that generally applies to teens/YA in general.

[–] paper_moon@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Yeah, the trouble maker part. Or people that are violent, etc. Going to punk music shows with mosh pits, etc..

[–] SparkyBauer44@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Thank you! A friend tried that shit with me. "Why are you so against this, you hang out with racist skinheads!"... Face-palm. Amazing how one movie painted a whole anti racist subculture into boneheads. There are very few racist skinheads, FYI. It's a very working class pro Unity subculture. IT WAS JUST A MOVIE!

[–] orlyowl@piefed.ca 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Which movie are you referring to?

[–] tuck182@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I'm going to assume American History X. Though it's certainly not the only movie to depict the neo-Nazi subculture, it's probably the most well know.

[–] SparkyBauer44@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

It is this one. The most popular, and the basis for the rest. Was this stuff happening? did it happen? Sure, but few and far between. Once AHX gained popularity, all of a sudden every skinhead is a nazi skin. When, in reality, it is a small, problematic number in a sea of mostly SHARPS (skinheads against racial prejudice).

[–] tpyo@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Wild guess because I like guessing: American history x

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I’m so sick of people trying to hide hate speech behind free speech, behind tolerance, behind pluralism. It’s hate. It’s hate. It doesn’t need to be protected and included. This is very old news. All they do by quibbling about it is broadcast to the world that their intellect is about 100 years behind the rest of us. Fuck you, Dave.

[–] BehindetheClouds@reddthat.com 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's the first thing that jumped out to me as well. He doesn't understand punk rock or punks.

By Chappelle's standard it's perfectly okay to have a former pedophile doing stand-up at this venue. Now, who in the right mind would allow that? Other than you know who lol

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 days ago

Oh yeah punks would never take a punch for or be outcast for hanging out with trans people, Dave definitely knows his history.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl -3 points 2 days ago

Yes. And there were a lot of Nazi punks too.