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What is your philosophy of upgrading to the 13 pro? (frame.work)
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I got my 13 a few months ago and it kind of sucks if I waited I could have gotten the 13 pro instead. However I won't throw it all away or sell it to buy the pro even though I could. I'm planning on upgrading one part a year (or whenever they break), starting with the keyboard cover, to get to the pro. What are your plans?

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[–] jjagaimo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

He funded the projects of a person who holds those beliefs multiple times and has not denounced DHH's beliefs when questioned. Saying you are pro immigrant and pro lgbt is not a counter to working with and funding someone who wants those people gone.

It doesnt matter if he isn't personally a white supremacist if he chooses to KNOWINGLY work with and FUND them over the concerns of others in the community. Big tent is stupid. If a nazi walks into a bar, announces theres a nazi, and you do not kick them out, that is a nazi bar. If they found out later that he was a white supremacist, the first thing they should have done was stop funding, apologize for funding him and not knowing about his views, say that they do not agree with those views and they are not welcome, and that they would be more careful in the future.

We only got bits and pieces of that after the community complained. Giving a nazi money, then when it is found out saying "well, we have a bit tent ideology," then later after getting flak for it saying "well actually I'm pro- the things the nazi hates" is not very inspiring. A company that actually cares would admit the fault and fix it, not try to brush it under the rug.

[–] pseudo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

not denounced [...] when questioned

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

But this is the crux, right? That they refused the struggle sess, not that they've done anything particularly bad. Because materially:

funded the [...] multiple times

False. Once, and even that is is tenuous. The laptop was one of many not to support the recipients, but to ensure compatibility. During the 3 weeks that the Internet thought Omarchy was cool.

chooses to KNOWINGLY work with and FUND them

False. Funding had already happened by the time the issue was flagged, and there are no indications that any more money is going DHH's way.

And moreover Anarcat, who originally raised the issue, soon agreed that Framework are in the clear:

it matters, so much, that Framework did that research. for me this is the key difference between uncertainty about the politics of Framework (where the whole thing would have been dog whistlings) and due dilligence (where this is all a basically massive misunderstanding

But that is not the remedy requested. Instead, they are invited to performative self-humiliation:

concerns of others

apologize for funding him

admit the fault

...which they never did. And this makes some people angry. Because this is a power struggle where a small online clique is trying to assert its authority to gatekeep the in-group.

So why don't you do all of us a favor, and redirect that struggle session shit to any of the AI companies, or the suppliers pivoting to cater to them, or the surveillance-tech, or Alex fucking Karp in particular — all of whom are materially making our world worse and are much closer to actual fascism — and away from an OK-ish little electronics manufacturer that is doing quite all right for the narrow purpose that they have?