this post was submitted on 27 Apr 2026
75 points (85.0% liked)

Memes

55614 readers
1989 users here now

Rules:

  1. Be civil and nice.
  2. Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.

founded 7 years ago
MODERATORS
 

DEATH TO ZIONAZIS

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

in 1945, penicillin became widely available, we have no proof that stalin caused it

[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The fact the majority of the global south didn't see comparable life expectancy spikes of the same degree as socialist countries and the fact life expectancy plunged post socialism in eastern Europe really points to the system having a great effect on life expectancy.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

the global south were experiencing multiple famines due to the British at that time.

And the life expectancy plunged after the collapse of the USSR as multiple countries with NEW goverments just didnt know what to do and it took them decades to stabilize

[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

Colonial famines only explain the starting point. The real explanation is that the Global South largely stayed locked into capitalist extraction chains. Core economies required cheap labor and raw materials from the periphery. That structural position kept mortality high and blocked independent development. Socialist states broke that dependency. They redirected surplus into public health, housing, and food security. The outcomes of this are obvious, life expectancy doubled in a generation, infant mortality collapsed. The material basis improved because production answered human needs instead of profit margins. The idea of post soviet governments simply being confused and not knowing better is a nice fantasy but is completely detached from reality. The mortality spike was not administrative error. It was policy. Shock therapy dismantled central planning. State enterprises were liquidated. Housing guarantees were revoked. Social services were defunded. Mass unemployment followed overnight.

The new governments knew exactly what they were building. They replaced planned distribution with market extraction. The human toll was accepted as transition cost. Capitalism does not stumble into crisis. It manufactures crisis through deliberate dispossession.

[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

multiple countries with NEW goverments just didnt know what to do

Neoliberal shock doctrine seems deliberate to me, not a lack of expertise in government

[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

God ordained "there shall be abundant penicillin" in 1945 and there was penicillin.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

more like "yay we found out how to mass produce commercial penicillin" "no no no our Leader Comrade Stalin did"

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No? Socialism made a life-saving medicine more widely available.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the USDA is known for their extreme socialism

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The distribution of medicine in the USSR, a much poorer country, was widely available because of the socialist economy and distribution of resources. Medicine does not magically appear, economics decides how and where it goes.