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I did some analysis of the modlog and found this:

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Ok, bigger instances ban more often. Not surprising, because they have more communities and more users and more trouble. But hang on, dbzer0 isn't a very big instance. What happens if we do a ratio of bans vs number of users?

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Ok, so lemmy.ml, dbzer0 and pawb are issue an outsized amount of bans for the number of users they have... But surely the number of communities the instance hosts is going to mean they have to ban more? Bans are used to moderate communities, not just to shield their user-base from the outside. Let's look at the number of bans per community hosted:

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Seems like dbzer0 really loves to ban. Even more than the marxists and the furries! What is it about dbzer0 that makes them such prolific banners?

Raw-ish numbers and calculations are in this spreadsheet if anyone wants to make their own charts.

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[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

Link me any reports proving the genocide is fake that aren’t linked to the Chinese government. Don’t worry, I’ll wait.

[–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (4 children)

Sure. Here's the UN.

In fact, here's all claims made to the UN, the assessments and recommendations of investigative bodies, and all specific recommendations to China regarding alleged human rights abuses. By a Uyghur rights group. None of which calls anything China has done as genocide. Because it is a CIA-funded Uyghur rights group, it does call counter terrorism of the internationally recognized terrorist organization known as the East Turkestan Party 'cultural oppression.' But even that slant is hollow when they actually link to the OHCHR reports which show, at worst, some family members directly internationally recognized as linked to known terrorists and that are actually on the no-fly list in the US were arrested and put into rehabilitation after the terror attacks.

Edit: And to be clear, I just did the impossible by proving a negative. In all logic and debate it is on the claimant to prove their case. next time have proof.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (3 children)

LOL

I’m guessing you didn’t read that UN report which is condemning China for human rights violations.

Overall assessment and recommendations

143. Serious human rights violations have been committed in XUAR in the context of the Government’s application of counter-terrorism and counter-“extremism” strategies. Theimplementation of these strategies, and associated policies in XUAR has led to interlocking patterns of severe and undue restrictions on a wide range of human rights. These patterns of restrictions are characterized by a discriminatory component, as the underlying acts often directly or indirectly affect Uyghur and other predominantly Muslim communities.

[–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I did, extensively when it came out. That's not genocide.

If you actually cared to read the report what they allege they found is 'systemic arrests of families of captured Uyghur terrorists,' that 'have nothing to do with their family member's terrorism,' and were held 'without bond until trial.' No genocide. No systemic abuse of all uyghurs. Less than 1% of an extremely small population involved.

Given CHINA WAS VIOLENTLY ATTACKED FOR HALF A DECADE BY TURKISH UYGHURS PAID BY THE CIA, you might understand why families of those terrorists were, you know, investigated arrested and rehabilitated in the off chance they too were a part of a terror organization.

That plus the multi-hundred billion dollar investment in Xinjiang resulting in one of the largest, fastest decreases in poverty rates in world history is why China hasn't had another terror attack despite being bordered with Turkey, where the terror organization still exists.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

“It’s just forced sterilization, family separation, sexual violence, forced labor, and illegal deportations but they didn’t kill them so it’s not genocide. I support China.”

Whatever you say, Blue MAGA.

[–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

A) BlueMAGA exclusively refers to the 'Vote Blue no Matter Who" Crowd. It was a leftist term before you liberals even knew what MAGA was.

B) There is no forced sterilization found. Some was alleged at one point, but there has never been evidence, including production of the individuals who claimed this happened, ever. The only source for this was anonymous reports from Radio Free Asia, the CIA propaganda outlet that also purports to believe China is stealing white children from tourists.

C) Family Separation, aka taking kids into state care when their parents are arrested. This has been the only confirmed cases where this has happened, according to the report that I linked.

D) Sexual Violence possibly happened... as it does in all criminal justice systems. We don't know, there is no evidence of this, including production of anyone that has ever claimed this happened to them; but yes this is the most probable 'abuse' that exists. If you give prison guards power and privacy, they rape. This is true in every single country on Earth and is a reason that eventually justice systems need to be abolished.

E) Forced Labor, aka, what every single country on earth does with prisoners during rehabilitation. Every single one. There isn't a prison system where this doesn't happen. It's part of every psychologist's recommendation for correcting criminal behavior.

F) "Illegal deportation" isn't a thing that can happen.

G) 'Cultural Genocide' is a thing thanks to the US definition of genocide, but even that's not actually being alleged since, you know, you can visit Xinjiang and actually speak Uyghur to nearly anyone there. It's taught in every school in the region to all persons in the region, along with mandatory cultural festivals for students. Same as Cantonese being taught in that region, Tibetan taught in that region, and Mongolian taught in that region. Because of these facts no one even tries to claim cultural genocide anymore, and it doesn't fit any other possible definition of genocide.

Was the response to a half decade of terror attacks a bit extreme? Maybe, that's subjective. And not something anyone in the US or Europe can criticize, given you people responded to terror attacks by killing 2+ million Arabs.

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