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A) BlueMAGA exclusively refers to the 'Vote Blue no Matter Who" Crowd. It was a leftist term before you liberals even knew what MAGA was.

B) There is no forced sterilization found. Some was alleged at one point, but there has never been evidence, including production of the individuals who claimed this happened, ever. The only source for this was anonymous reports from Radio Free Asia, the CIA propaganda outlet that also purports to believe China is stealing white children from tourists.

C) Family Separation, aka taking kids into state care when their parents are arrested. This has been the only confirmed cases where this has happened, according to the report that I linked.

D) Sexual Violence possibly happened... as it does in all criminal justice systems. We don't know, there is no evidence of this, including production of anyone that has ever claimed this happened to them; but yes this is the most probable 'abuse' that exists. If you give prison guards power and privacy, they rape. This is true in every single country on Earth and is a reason that eventually justice systems need to be abolished.

E) Forced Labor, aka, what every single country on earth does with prisoners during rehabilitation. Every single one. There isn't a prison system where this doesn't happen. It's part of every psychologist's recommendation for correcting criminal behavior.

F) "Illegal deportation" isn't a thing that can happen.

G) 'Cultural Genocide' is a thing thanks to the US definition of genocide, but even that's not actually being alleged since, you know, you can visit Xinjiang and actually speak Uyghur to nearly anyone there. It's taught in every school in the region to all persons in the region, along with mandatory cultural festivals for students. Same as Cantonese being taught in that region, Tibetan taught in that region, and Mongolian taught in that region. Because of these facts no one even tries to claim cultural genocide anymore, and it doesn't fit any other possible definition of genocide.

Was the response to a half decade of terror attacks a bit extreme? Maybe, that's subjective. And not something anyone in the US or Europe can criticize, given you people responded to terror attacks by killing 2+ million Arabs.

I did, extensively when it came out. That's not genocide.

If you actually cared to read the report what they allege they found is 'systemic arrests of families of captured Uyghur terrorists,' that 'have nothing to do with their family member's terrorism,' and were held 'without bond until trial.' No genocide. No systemic abuse of all uyghurs. Less than 1% of an extremely small population involved.

Given CHINA WAS VIOLENTLY ATTACKED FOR HALF A DECADE BY TURKISH UYGHURS PAID BY THE CIA, you might understand why families of those terrorists were, you know, investigated arrested and rehabilitated in the off chance they too were a part of a terror organization.

That plus the multi-hundred billion dollar investment in Xinjiang resulting in one of the largest, fastest decreases in poverty rates in world history is why China hasn't had another terror attack despite being bordered with Turkey, where the terror organization still exists.

Sure. Here's the UN.

In fact, here's all claims made to the UN, the assessments and recommendations of investigative bodies, and all specific recommendations to China regarding alleged human rights abuses. By a Uyghur rights group. None of which calls anything China has done as genocide. Because it is a CIA-funded Uyghur rights group, it does call counter terrorism of the internationally recognized terrorist organization known as the East Turkestan Party 'cultural oppression.' But even that slant is hollow when they actually link to the OHCHR reports which show, at worst, some family members directly internationally recognized as linked to known terrorists and that are actually on the no-fly list in the US were arrested and put into rehabilitation after the terror attacks.

Edit: And to be clear, I just did the impossible by proving a negative. In all logic and debate it is on the claimant to prove their case. next time have proof.

You don't have to like it but again I ask what other solution you have to people that have shown themselves beyond a reasonable doubt to be objectively evil. People that would be lynched by the public if their crimes were just reported on.

That is an opinion, sure. Another is that you stop separating 'The StAtE' from 'The People,' because it decent societies there is no effective difference. (Actually in all societies, there is zero difference whatsoever, but we really aren't here to talk about implied consent)

The state doesn't need to be infallible, because people aren't. But we can be sure beyond a reasonable doubt. If a mayor of a province that has directly harmed hundreds of thousands of people and was found with literally 40 tons of Gold and Cash says they're innocent, they have a pretty large hill to climb. We can be reasonably sure he at least had something to do with the bribes, and we can be reasonably sure a poor student from a poor family turned extremely low level politician did not find a way to hoard 40 tons of gold and cash through legitimate means. On its face just that evidence pushes that beyond a reasonable doubt, but beyond that the offender still gets a guaranteed defense in court. The one referenced obvious lost, because of course he couldn't defend those actions or explain away 40 tons of gold and cash, but he had the chance to push some, ANY doubt into the mind of the jury.

This also isn't like the US, evidence can't be thrown out of court and doesn't have to be approved by the court; meaning any exculpatory evidence the defense can find can and does get introduced. If you're innocent and can prove it in any way, congrats. If you find a filing mistake by the People's Prosecution, congrats. If you can prove a flaw in their methodology, congrats. 'The State' doesn't set the narrative, the court only exists as a way to to guide the jury on what the law is. It has no relationship with the prosecution.

And yes, the death penalty is reserved for those that cannot be rehabilitated. A man does not come back from literally decades of taking bribes. A man cannot change that drastically overnight, it is pure naivety to think otherwise (and ignorance of psychology). The Norway style of keeping mass murderers alive forever just to... say that they didn't kill them and feel smug about it does nothing for public safety, and just costs money. All for a smug since of superiority about being kind to people that want to kill you. China was under a dictatorship less than a century ago, they had this whole big revolution about recognizing and not being kind to those people.

Link me one official organization that calls it a genocide and is not a part of a country that considers itself explicitly at war with China. I'll wait.

Because it is. Hence why zero international human rights councils have ever found evidence of genocide.

You're vastly overestimating the American market's shrinking impact on the global economy. China (and international firms using Chinese manufacturing) have been targeting the Chinese domestic market, the growing SEA market, and working to open the EU market (because EU leaders have to realize eventually they can't possibly compete against China in electronics manufacturing eventually). This added onto the fact the American economy is at it's lowest point in history (when factoring actual CoL and median Debt-to-Income ratio) and has no signs of slowing its freefall means the FCC has as much power on the international market as Kenya does.

Markets outside the US will likely default to the EU regulatory standards which are close enough to Canadian standards they would just need to pay for the certification costs to pass in Canada.

On the plus side the Nvidia/AMD duopoly will unironically come to an end due to this. Chinese chips are only 5-10 years behind (besides AI Compute chips which are almost on par with Nvidia now) and are around 100x cheaper.

Counter-point, Norway is almost exclusively EV at this point. EVs are fine in cold weather if you have a sensibly built society. At least they aren't worse than gas or Diesel.

Mass murder is not what's happening; but your world view is quite common and naive among young aspiring liberals wanting to ignore the violence inherent in your very existence.

You are not unique for wanting incremental peaceful changes. Everyone goes through that phase. Then you start reading history, and theory. Or worse, you actually try to put your ideals into practice and are met with violence that you don't realize your ideals cannot overcome.

If the world were sunshine and rainbows and not ruled over by pedophiles that literally eat children and flagrantly kill anyone who's a threat to their power your ideal would be great. Fantastic even. But your ideal is not one born of education or experience. It is born from the lack thereof.

In the real world, the one in which we live, the one in which you know someone (1 in 4 in the US) who has been a victim of Police Violence, the one in which you have met someone (1 in 3 globally) has been a victim of the US Military Industrial Empire, the one in which the leaders of the 'democratic peaceful free world' are literally all pedophiliac cannibals, the one in which literally every aspect of your privileged little life comes at the direct cost of a child in Africa or South America or India suffering, violence has to happen.

If we really want to delve into Theory, violence is inherent in the concept of society. Restraining someone is violence, it is a violent act. It is the least violent act that can be taken when they do not agree with your imposed social contract of sunshine and puppies, but it is still violence.

There is no possible way to get to a world without violence, without instituting a hive mind (i.e. eliminating society), Eugenics, or otherwise magically curing the human condition itself. Every possible society will have some violence, because there will always in any evolving society be those that go against what the current Social Contract is. Always. Sometimes for good, sometimes for evil, but there will never be a world where everyone is content — mainly because contentedness means stagnation and we are unlikely to ever be 'fully' socially evolved as to call for stagnation. There will always be better to strive for;

But that evolution cannot happen if those with the power and all the capability for violence intentionally stop progress because it hurts their personal progress towards being wealthy. It cannot happen if, with every breath and step we must keep handling those that are against the concept of society with kids' gloves and pretending they can ever change.

All current science points to the existence of those whom physically cannot understand empathy. They lack the parts of their brain that allow for that. And without empathy, there cannot be society, much less a violence-free society that you and every other real human so desperately wants.

Since Eugenics is bad, and since Mass Murder is bad; that leaves us with the current system — when those with this defect show they have no self control and abuse this defect of theirs to harm the rest of society, we put them down. Education cannot work; and they have nothing in their head stopping them from lying about being rehabilitated, and we have no such technology (and never should) to read minds and figure out if they're being honest. So the only safe route for all of us, all the real people with empathy to live, is for those that cannot even fake being one of us to die.

The alternative is human history, and one really doesn't need to look far in human history to understand why we cannot have repeat episodes.

Find a better solution to permanently disabling the power of a person who feels no shame or empathy and who has harmed, in most cases thousands to millions of people; then talk.

...Tibet is a province in China and is openly talked about kiddo. Tibet was, for a period of about 40 years, under a brutal monarchy that had institutionalized child sex slavery. The Dalai Lama is a child sex advocate.

Tibet then did a civil war around the time of China's revolution, where the main party of the rebellion which I don't care to look up the name of because Tibetan is mostly nonsense words to me, requested help from the newly freed China. China obliged, with the caveat of Tibet returning to China instead of continuing on as an independent country. Which was greatly preferred during war time at least because, you know, they were spending all their military resources fighting the UK and US backed Tibetan child sex slave government.

After the war, like all provinces Tibet was poor, poorly integrated with the rest of China, and had little access to outside resources... until about the 1990s. Like the rest of China. Now Tibetan culture and language is mandatory for schools in Tibet (like Uyghur in Xinjiang and Mongolian in Inner Mongolia, also there's that weird muslim group in inner mongolia that actually has their own culture and language requirements in schools that I forget. And I mean weird as in, why did they become muslim that far north east, not that they're weird for being Muslim.) and Tibet, like Xinjiang, is seeing a golden age of modernization and resources being poured into it.

Because China realized after the East Tukistan terror attacks from Turkey and the US that you can't have home grown terrorism or dissidence if you just, give people the resources they need to live well and thrive.