China isn't committing a genocide. If it were we'd have SOME proof, as there's so much proof of Gaza even though Israel is a surveillance state that severely represses the Palestinian people.

Your views on China and Chinese people are shaped by the US propaganda machine, rather than evidence.

I know you mean well but most of us started believing the same bs you do, there's criticism of China within our spaces but it contends with reality rather than the propaganda you're repeating.

[+] SignDown@lemmy.ml -7 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, we always have proof of every genocide happening, because nobody would try to keep it secret

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Three hundred million tourists, not a typo, passed through Xinjiang last year. Not a single tiktok of anything amiss.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Of course there's no evidence of the genocide, it's being kept secret! Not so secret that I, as a random westerner, don't know for sure that it's happening though"

[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

You missed my point. How come there's not a single piece of evidence? Not one victim we know for sure? No video, photographs, nothing?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Sarcasm is not an argument, and we do have evidence for every genocide in modern history, because it’s impossible to hide one.

[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

authoritarian state

Meaningless pejorative

committing genocid

The UN, OIC and everyone not directly funded by the US state department would disagree.

essentially free markets, but with strict government oversight

I think you should learn what free market means. Also simply not true, while private capital exists every strategic sector (the commanding heights) is publicly owned (land, energy, transport, finance).

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

China is "authoritarian" from the perspective of capitalists, but liberating for the working classes. China is not committing genocide. Chinese citizens can and do critique the government, what's often censored is reactionary views or capitalists trying to foment liberalization. The markets are not free, and that's a good thing, as it's key to the success of China's Socialist Market Economy.

[+] themaninblack@lemmy.world -10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

"Defending" genocide? Absolutely not. Genocide is the one of the greatest of all crimes against humanity, so when accusations of genocide are falsely levied they should then be resolutely denounced, lest they undermine real genocide, such as what Palestinians face at the hands of the Zionist entity. I have no shame for dispelling atrocity propaganda that undermines existing struggles, same as I would for the supposed "white genocide" in South Africa.

Just as "white genocide" was atrocity propaganda against those fighting apartheid, so too is the Xinjiang genocide narrative a political creation, with definite goals. Xinjiang is a key region in the Belt and Road Initiative, bridging the East to the West. Xinjiang is a key artery in the new multipolar era, and the West was hoping to foment radicalized elements to sever the artery and bleed the project dry.

When the CPC responded not with guns and tanks but with education centers and job opportunities, the West switched tactics to alleging "genocide," spearheaded by a lone christofascist paid propagandist named Adrian Zenz.

Today, the de-radicalization program has worked. Violent attacks are near 0, and Uyghur culture and identity are preserved and celebrated. I recommend reading Xinjiang: A Report and Resource Compilation if you wish to learn what's actuallu going on in Xinjiang and how it developed historically.

[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago

Fyi this strategy is not effective. You're literally accusing the only political group who cares about genocide of being pro-genocide because you don't know what the word means and you've learned to hate socialists. Your viewpoints are incoherent, not real, and we can just shrug them off like one would do a child's rage.

The only thing socialists will apologize for, to you, is that your mode of production has clearly let you down in a sad and meaningful way.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

Previously:

“Genocide denial” isn’t a magic spell. Do you not deny the genocide of white South Africans?

Also, do you think we haven’t gone over the Wikipedia entry with a fine-toothed comb already?

Previously:

The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.

The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same map” imperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.

Almost no predominantly-Muslim country buys the Uyghur genocide narrative, because they know it’s bullshit, because they talked to the Uyghurs themselves.
https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330 #HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.

The Uyghur Human Rights Project is a product of the National Endowment for Democracy, which is the American government’s main regime change NGO.

A Reddit AMA Claiming To Be A Uyghur Quickly Exposes A CIA Asset Slandering China

The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations Are Unjustified

Uyghur genocide allegations

American Debunks All Major Western Propaganda on Uyghurs and Xinjiang

US-Funded Uyghur Activists Train as Soldiers of Empire

The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent

Previously:

Genocide is more than just killing, it’s the deliberate destruction of a people including its culture and institutions.

(a) Show me the Uyghur bodies

(b) Show me the serious bodily or mental harm

(c) Show me the conditions calculated to bring about physical destruction in whole or in part

(d) Show me the measures intended to prevent births within the group

In accordance with China's affirmative action policies towards ethnic minorities, all non-Han ethnic groups were subject to different laws and were usually allowed to have two children in urban areas, and three or four in rural areas.

(e) Show me the forcible transfer of children from one group to another group

violent incidents in East Turkestan

I wonder where those Salafi terrorists came from? Oh right: the US, UK, and Israel organized, funded, and trained them, as they did Al Qaeda and the various flavors of ISIS/ISIL, including the “moderate rebels” that just took over Syria. The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent.