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Accurate if Gimli actually agreed and Legolas ~~slipped~~ slit their throat after the battle.
Nah, in reality the majority of anarchists joined the Soviets just fine. Proletarian and peasant anarchists joined the Red Army and banded together with the rest of the proletariat and peasantry. The remaining anarchists were largely petite bourgeois, bourgeois, etc, and this makes sense, as the new socialist state worked in the interests of the working classes while it continued to work against the petite bourgeoisie. In other words, socialism was liberating for most anarchists, but continued to oppress the minority of anarchists that did not gain from socialism.
The narrative of Marxists stabbing anarchists in the back is meant to split the left. Of course there's ideological disagreements, but the idea that the anarchists were so weak and ineffective that they got rolled completely makes anarchism entirely unconvincing. The reality is that the majority of anarchists didn't actually fight back, they fought alongside the Marxists and generally came to Marxism over anarchism. They were fantastic comrades and their victories in defeating the Whites with the rest of the Reds is erased to keep leftist infighting going.
Some interesting points in the rest of your post but this one feels really weak. This is the same stuff proponents of capitalism spout. The USSR got rolled so therefore communism is unconvincing, etc.
The fact that the USSR did fall justifies investigation. Is it intrinsic to socialism, or the specific struggles of the USSR? Much the same way Marxists have to grapple with that reality (and have), so too must anarchists grapple with the fact that they lost out. Either all of the anarchists combined couldn't overcome the Marxists, which means anarchism is entirely ineffective, or that a majority of them sided with and even joined the Bolsheviks (which is what happened). The former has even less evidence, considering the Marxists were the greatest ally of the Spanish anarchists, and the anarchists in Spain were fairly effective (especially once they adopted more centralized organizing methods).
I agree with this. But I will say "Anarcokiddies get the wall" jokes really don't help either when they pop up.
Lemmy is the first instance of MLs I ran into that were not just assholes. And I mean racist, sexist, etc. They then turned around and made jokes about killing anarchist.
I find the constant random shitting on anarchist around here annoying in general. I'm fortunate that I joined hexbear first, cause fucking hell I'd probably already be gone and wouldn't of learn shit to change my veiw.
Course I'm just blocking them at this point. But idk, would like for others anxious About MLs like I was to be able to learn
They really don’t.
They annoy me, too, especially when they’re lazy, cheap shots like this low-effort meme. They’re counterproductive.
I dissuade Party members from putting down people who do not understand. Even people who are unenlightened and seemingly bourgeois should be answered in a polite way. Things should be explained to them as fully as possible. I was turned off by a person who did not want to talk to me because I was not important enough. Maurice just wanted to preach to the converted, who already agreed with him. I try to be cordial, because that way you win people over. You cannot win them over by drawing the line of demarcation, saying you are on this side and I am on the other; that shows a lack of consciousness. After the Black Panther Party was formed, I nearly fell into this error. I could not understand why people were blind to what I saw so clearly. Then I realized that their understanding had to be developed.
— Huey P. Newton
Can't say I've seen MLs be racist. I've seen sexism in some bad orgs, and some orgs have been transphobic like the CPGB, but either way, sorry that that's been your experience. Marxism-Leninism is a liberatory ideology that stands against racism, sexism, and transphobia if one is to actually follow dialectical materialism.
I will say, the anarchists that constantly joke about killing communists and "tankies" is also a problem. It's a two-way street, and usually arises from being entirely too online and not touching grass.
At the end of the day, I disagree with anarchism. I abandoned my anarchist past and agree with Marxism-Leninism, and that's only gotten firmer over time. At the same time, I really wish the slapfighting would stop, either have a real conversation or work together.
I definitely agree with that
And I'm also sad that had been my experience. It created a lot of anxiety with how man MLs there were and the two IRL I met. Very glad its not the norm like I was afraid it was.
my opinion of mls when i was younger was very much influenced by knowing ones irl who were on the more misogynist/transphobic side, unfortunately common in eastern europe. it's a large part of why i gravitated to anarchist organizing.
since then i've run into mls through organizing who ended up being great comrades (many of whom were trans) and it really made the ones who are sexist seem like the anomaly.
i don't like seeing the infighting from either direction at this point. it just feels monumentally counter-productive when there's actual fash running around making lists of us. they certainly don't care about the distinction between tendencies, anything other than solidarity is kinda doing their work for them.
Exactly. As long as we are fighting for something better then thats all I care about. I have difference of opinons with people but in the end it wont matter cause material conditions and local environments will prevail for the best for people as long as we fight against bad faith actors and out right fascist.
I actually felt so much better and very happy the last few weeks knowing that those assholes were an outlier. I want more comrades not less.
When western anarchists dismiss AES countries for being "authoritarian" or "capitalist" then they are defaulting to the status quo of Western imperialism. When they say they dislike both USA and China for the same reason, they are again defaulting to Western supremacy whether they intent to or not.
I've had my share of anarchists that get extremely defensive over their country (usually USA) being criticized over enacting imperialism when they are criticizing AES countries and especially China and DPRK, as "whataboutism". It reeks of chauvinism and white supremacy, not realizing that there's an inherent behaviour of preferring their country to stay in power due to fear of "the scary Chinese" and etc.
Can't remember the last time I had my throat slipped. I think about it and touch myself at night.