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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 50 points 1 day ago (51 children)

Okay so let me go over this again as I have an idea...

Nation that's struggling with dependency on petroleum and unreliable supply chain turns to renewable energy. The solar energy is clean, reliable, requires little maintenance, and is helping that country become less reliant on foreign petroleum.

If that works for Cuba, a tiny nation with few resources, perhaps it would work in other more wealthy nations also. Perhaps if a nation were, say, reliant on petroleum to the point that they start multiple multinational wars to ensure their own access to oil, costing literally $trillions, it might be cheaper to put some or all of that money into renewable energy. Presumably China will sell their solar panels to whoever's buying, yes? So why wouldn't a larger, more developed country purchase them in great quantity so spending $trillions on military actions in the Middle East would no longer be necessary?
If a country like this has some of their own domestic oil production, wouldn't it be a desirable future to just walk away from the Middle East entirely, let the oil assholes kill each other without our involvement, and run the country for a few decades on sunshine? Use that money to buy solar panels literally by the boatload / container-ship-load (or buy the tech and manufacture them ourselves), and then national security is improved through removing foreign dependencies?

Or is this just crazy talk?

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All oil lobbiests, oil barons, and dipshit right-wingers whose primary source of info is focks nooz, blowroganexperience, and other propaganda outlets: it'd take 30 years to get the infrastructure in place for rEnEwAbLeS!

So what you're saying is if we started during the oil crisis of the 70s, we'd be celebrating 25 years off our dependency on petroleum? If we started at the turn of the millennium we'd already be in the home-stretch toward completion?

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can't think that way. Just understand that building clean infrastructure is too difficult and too expensive and will take too long. The electric car is always 10 years away.

(Like the dude or not- this is something you gotta give Elon Musk credit for-- before Tesla the electric car was perpetually '10 years away', Tesla actually went and built one, and a whole fast charging network, with the intended goal of embarrassing other automakers into producing their own EVs and chargers. It worked, and I truly believe without Tesla we'd still be hearing that the electric car is only 10 years away.)

But for real, as a Freedom-loving American- it pisses me off because the sooner we start the sooner we'll be finished, and then from a national security POV we are MUCH better off as we aren't depending on shithole sandbox countries with religious dictatorships to provide our fuel.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 2 points 23 hours ago

Ehh, Tesla was building those things before Musk took over. It's like the Nazis and the autobahn, these people are taking credit for previous good decisions when they take over.

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