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[–] Majestic@lemmy.ml 36 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

I'm afraid this isn't the win you think it is.

One of two things will happen in the near future:

  1. Nearly everything you do online from banking to shopping to social media (including online gaming) to paying your electric or internet bill to yes porn will require OS-level attestation to access and use the site. Linux lacking this will become an incredibly private OS that is useless for anything online making this a defeat for Linux having any hopes of real desktop market share and/or forcing it to comply. Microsoft, Apple, Google would love to push Linux as an OS option off the table.

  2. Kids will start using liveboot or installing Linux and evading these controls, Christian fascists, tech overlord capitalists, and the government will take notice and write a bill to close this "loophole" and within a few years having already established the idea in the popular conception that age verification is okay will face lesser resistance in quickly ramming it through.

[–] quips@slrpnk.net 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It absolutely is the win we think it is. These are separate from mandating open source to include age verification.

[–] khanh@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

it absolutely is not. my first thought to seeing this is that they're trying to reduce the resistance to the bill, then later add linux to it and not face as much backlash. basically, option 2.

dont be blind.

[–] quips@slrpnk.net 1 points 9 hours ago

So to not have the win we think it is, the California and Colorado bills would have to mandate age verification for open source operating systems.

Can you explain the wording in the law that contradicts OP’s claims?

[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

I don't really get this. Why is it such a big deal if your OS has setting where you enter your age, and the OS then sends that to websites? Face scanning or demanding uploads of photo IDs is an immense privacy violation. But simply having your OS have a setting you can use where you provide a number, a number that you're completely free to alter or report whatever value you want? I really don't see the issue with this.

This seems like a pretty easy way to give parents some control over their kid's online activities while also not infringing on privacy. The parents can set up the OS and give an account to their kids that lists their ages as under 18. If they want their kids to access the web without restrictions, they simply don't have to create an under 18 account on the computer. And even if your OS has to report an age to access a website, if it's all based on self-reporting, you can just self-report a false age.

We tend to think in binaries, as this is convenient. We tend to view all digital age verification as horrible and equally horrible. But this? Just giving parents a way to give their kids a minors-only account, and have websites respect that OS-level flag? This is nothing like bills that require uploading face scans or photo IDs.

Sure you can speculate a slippery slope. But that is a fallacy for a reason. It tends to wash out all nuance and make you conclude everything is absolute evil forever.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 hours ago

If they don't accept "just enter your age" in a website they are not going to accept "just enter your age" on a OS. They are going, sooner or later, to require Microsoft to check users ID to confirm OS account age.

[–] Majestic@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

It's not a fallacy when multiple countries/states have passed laws that explicitly demand some form of ID confirmation/scanning and others have stated an intent for it. It's not a fallacy when you understand what the purpose of this push actually is.

The fact is the end result isn't going to be compliance with the least restrictive standard but the most. That's how regulatory compliance always works. You always comply with the most restrictive because it encompasses the least restrictive as well. Further if you stopped to think and analyzed history scientifically instead of it being a series of great man events or whatever you'd understand how capitalism in crisis reacts by crushing the working class using tools like fascism. That the 5-eyes spying abuse far from being some deviation from liberalism embody the deeper desires and wants of the modern western world to spy on and control their citizens and the world and that a free internet has been an incredible threat to state power since day one.

It's just the first big moment where their propaganda failed, where their narrative was undermined was the Gaza genocide and they will do anything to prop up the Zio-Nazi entity occupying Palestine and prevent their other narratives from suffering the same fate in future. A man in the "free speech" loving EU was unpersoned FFS and can't be given money, buy food, stay at hotels, use banks, anything for deviating too far from the approved EU narrative. These are the people we're dealing with.

It's also not a fallacy when AI has created a crisis for private/government spy fusion platforms like Meta, Google, etc in both gaining ad dollars due to AI bots being hard to discern so hard identifying humans is a must for not only spying but profits from ads.

For a long time the material interests of the massive tech companies and their financial backers and shareholders did not particularly benefit from this kind of ID law and so they pushed back and disallowed it. Now thanks to AI their interests align with those of the state, the capitalist propaganda organs, the moral crusaders. There is in other words nothing major standing in their way and tons of power centers pushing for this as a result of AI, the Gaze genocide breaking containment, etc and it has gained momentum.

[–] DragonOracleIX@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 hours ago

It's not going to be putting a number into a box. That is abusable and is functionally no different than what we already have now. It will be proper age verification similar to what social media is already starting to use.

This is also not about "child safety" either. There are already tools for providing parental controls. Improving and making these options more accessible should be the priority, not enforcing it upon everyone. That is why we are calling it out for what it is, thinly veiled invasion of our privacy.