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[–] BustlingChungus@lemmy.world 122 points 9 months ago (34 children)

I an so sick of the “just don’t buy it” response to people complaining about increasingly shitty practices. It’s like if someone pisses in the far side of the pool and other people decide they like the warmth so they tell you just to stay over on the far side - The pool is still tainted, and maybe next time the pool cleaners decide not to use chlorine…

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (18 children)

I don’t understand how that comparison fits because somebody else buying the portal has literally no impact on my game. Someone pissing in the pool is directly
impacting you with their actions.

[–] chepox@sopuli.xyz 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I think the analogy is that it sets a precedent. Now the other companies see how you can pee in the pool and folks are either cool with it (buy) or are on the other end (not buy but meh). Now the pool standard is piss filled pool and we will never have a chance to get into a clean pool anymore.

If you want to take a swim you have to do it in a pissed soaked pool because we never complained or did anything about it.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But that's assuming there's only one pool. If everyone leaves for a pool without piss in it, the first will probably change their policies to not allow peeing in their pools because it drives away customers.

The problem isn't that there's only one pool, the problem is that not enough people seem to care enough to try a different one. Instead, they just complain about the pool they're at, perhaps because the pool is free or it gets a lot of advertising.

So yeah, feel free to complain about it, but your time is probably better spent just going to a different pool.

[–] shani66@ani.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The pool is the gaming industry dude, not whatever shitty little game blizzard is putting out.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No, it's not.

I haven't played a Blizzard game in something like 10 years. Whether they manipulate their customers has zero impact on the games I play, so I'm basically in a completely different pool from them. The way I see it, there are lots of different pools, such as:

  • F2P games - has always been a cesspool, and always will be
  • online multiplayer - recently turning into a cesspool
  • big budget single player - generally good, though "early access" (pay extra to pay a few days really) isn't great, but I avoid new releases generally because they're so consistently buggy, so it's not an issue
  • indie/AA - generally great, and this is where I spend most of my time and money

I almost never play F2P or competitive online multiplayer games, so they're essentially a completely separate pool from the games I play, which are largely single player games from smaller studios (and a few big budget single player games).

So no, it's not one big pool, there are clear separations.

[–] chepox@sopuli.xyz 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The issue is that there is only 1 industry. And the end goal of ALL developers and companies is making money. The more the better. When other pools start seeing that pissong in the pool leaves them more money, than they ALL will start designing their games around this. It is this design choice that will infect pretty much all other games. The precedent it sets affects the whole industry.

And like you said before, the only way this is not an issue is if it does not generate additional money for them so that no other pools try to imitate. And this will only happen if nobody buys them. And this post is trying to dissuade those buyers so that this does not become rampart and then all games have it.

But it's not just one industry, unless you overly generalize.

The motivations that lead someone to buy indie games are much different than someone who mostly plays F2P competitive games, which is much different than the group that buys top end AAA games. So the marketing and profit model will be different for each. I think there are at least these logical segments:

  • mobile gaming
  • casual gaming (i.e. Switch)
  • F2P gaming/eSports
  • AAA gaming
  • indie/small studio gaming

Each of those has different target demographics, and thus different "pools."

[–] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Do you honestly believe that complaining on Lemmy counts as "doing something about it"?

I only know about this thing because of this post. I'm not going to buy it, but do you see that what you're doing is getting the word out and doing blizzards advertising for them?

[–] chepox@sopuli.xyz 0 points 9 months ago

As a consumer we can use our choices where we spend to lead companies one way or the other. Spreading the word to not buy something is "doing something about it". How effective it may be here in Lemmy, probably not very much, but it's something.

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