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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 145 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

There were actually 4 lawyers, and all 4 were fined and 2 of them barred from presenting to the Court for several years.

Judge wasn't fucking around.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 54 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Judge wasn’t fucking around.

Just one of many such stories, and yet more lawyers keep thinking it's a good idea to bring unverified AI into a courtroom...

Sure, use AI to generate your documents and filings ... but then take the time to verify it manually! Make sure the cited cases and laws actually exist and are actually relevant. Scan it for errors or 'AI speak'. At least fucking read it.

I have no idea how people can be so confident in a LLM that they'd use it for something so high-stakes without checking its work!

[–] Mpatch@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago

I litteraly just went through this shit about 3hrs ago. I needed to install a flange gasket for a 2.5" pipe flange hydraulic return. A.I tells me I can't use this particular multi layer gasket type I have because I have a flat flange.

Lo and behold I find the the manufacturer data sheet. Perfectly suitable for my application.

Like it's one thing for a.i to fail at making shit up. But it's a hole other fuck up when it can't even regurgitate information correctly.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 53 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Never, ever use AI for legal review for a client.

Inviting an AI into the threads removes privilege.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 15 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

lol, that too. Who knows what kind of private legal information you're freely feeding to the AI company.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 23 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It's worse than that. The AI isn't part of the attorney/client relationship, so anything shared with it isn't covered by privilege and is discoverable.

[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 12 points 7 hours ago

Disbarment should follow after the leak soon, for violating privilege

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Enterprise usage of AI tools, at least those I have seen, is entirely private

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Supposedly.

I wouldn't trust anything to be truly private in the hands of these AI companies, though -- they're always scraping training data from wherever they can get it (legality be damned), and requests from enterprise clients are extremely valuable training data. They'll make promises about how everything stays in-house ... but then your chat history gets integrated into the new public model through its training, and maybe it's now able to reproduce your private information when asked.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

That would be a massive legal dispute that would probably end up sinking them. There's legal agreements they can't train or use the data. Would blow reputation and be legal volcano

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 2 points 2 hours ago

Are you and I seeing the same AI companies? They have 10 legal volcanoes per week ... all part of 'moving fast and breaking things'.

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I mean, he was sort of fucking around. A lawyer that is fine using AI for a case should never be allowed to work as a lawyer after that. That's a gigantic moral flaw.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 1 points 12 minutes ago

How ? Typically the law society is the group to remove a lawyers license to practice. He could perhaps refer them but this is different the world over.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 23 points 8 hours ago

A judge can't revoke a law license. But they can issue a fine and bar them from their courtroom.

The judge's action in this case was brutal. It's the legal equivalent of a public caning.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 13 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The barring part makes me happy. The fining might make me happy....how much was the fine? Do you know?

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 15 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Between 1100 and 3500. It's in the artiblcle before the paywall kicks in.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Ok. Given Lawyers general salaries, that's really not that much. That's like a slap on the wrist. I was hoping it was like $20,000.

But the barring still makes me happy.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 19 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

It's more about the barring and the official censure. A couple grand doesn't mean much A judicial beatdown is professionally damaging.

And since it's federal court, being barred from that courtroom is a real blow. It's not like they can just focus on the next city or county over.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 59 minutes ago

Couldn't they just go to other courtrooms in that courthouse? There's going to be a few to a few dozen