this post was submitted on 16 Dec 2023
986 points (79.2% liked)
Fediverse
28499 readers
329 users here now
A community to talk about the Fediverse and all it's related services using ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, KBin, etc).
If you wanted to get help with moderating your own community then head over to !moderators@lemmy.world!
Rules
- Posts must be on topic.
- Be respectful of others.
- Cite the sources used for graphs and other statistics.
- Follow the general Lemmy.world rules.
Learn more at these websites: Join The Fediverse Wiki, Fediverse.info, Wikipedia Page, The Federation Info (Stats), FediDB (Stats), Sub Rehab (Reddit Migration), Search Lemmy
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
And get my server hoggud up by 1.000.000 biased meta shitposts a minute? No thanks.
That's not how federation works, which makes me worried that users who get to "vote" on this thing (they don't, it's the instance owners that do) actually do not understand what would happen.
It's exactly what would happen, as users on my server would look up instances on meta servers.
is there a writeup somewhere that ideally goes into enough detail to clearly understand how instances/federation work and what would really happen ? I hate Meta but I realize I have no clue what threads coming means and implies, decentralized systems are very unintuitive when you're used to conventional social media.
The simple thing that requires no deep dive into protocol design is that threads brings with it a metric fuckton of users: multiple orders of magnitude more users than the entirety of the fediverse across all platforms and sites put together. People have used the analogy of a cruise ship full of tourists unloading on a small seaside village of a few hundred people and trashing the place even without there being a need for malevolence, and there's a certain aptness to that.
Except that Meta is, on top of that, unequivocally malevolent. So to stretch the analogy further, the reason the tourists are unloading in the small village is that Meta Cruise Lines wants to force coastal villages to join their corporate "family" or get obliterated.
right, this is quite evocative and what I initially had in mind, but the question seems to be more subtle? A village is a single centralized unit, here instances can defederate and users can block traffic. Will threads users invade the fediverse village or just not care about it, even if they have access? Could it give an opportunity for ppl to read content that will ever only be threads (political figures. institutions, etc.) without having a meta account and using a meta app? Will the bots that apparently plague threads rn will plague the fediverse? Why don't they now? If some instances defederate and others not, could I have one account where I talk to the tourists, and another account in a defederated instance where I'm back in my calm village?
I agree with the imagery and moral aspects, but I feel like understanding the practical implications which are not obvious to me is important to gather momentum to kick them out - I felt like people disagree on subjects that they probably shouldn't if they both had the same understanding of the situation (which includes me).
If I understand correctly, your server will only receive posts from users that someone on your server has subscribed to, so the number is overblown by several orders of magnitude.
Except if there is a mega meta instance...
Why would that change it?
Because it would drown out all the Lemmy stuff (sorry late replay, Christmas and stuff).
@Valmond
According to what I've read, they haven't implemented yet but you'll have to opt in in the settings of a threads account to be seen on the Fediverse. In other words, it won't be possible to interact unintentionnally with the Fediverse. So, Fediversians will be in a state of complaining in case of bad behaviours coming from Threads.
https://kbin.social/u/@mosseri@threads.net
@xigoi @fediverse
See my other comment.
@Valmond
Another important quote : https://kbin.social/m/threads/t/708169
@xigoi
Interesting. But lemmy is not built to be a personal instance, more of a group thingy (I understand the complexity of it, and I like it, but there are things that will be hard to deal with computer-science complexity wise if one instance gets too big. That's why I'm not just on board against meta/threads.net, but totally against it). In a nutshell Lemmy will thrive being lots and lots and lots of small servers with sub 100k users (probably 10k is a nice number? Or 35 because you like that rare thing).