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Anon tries to lighten the mood (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 8 months ago by Early_To_Risa@sh.itjust.works to c/greentext@sh.itjust.works

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[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Your rose color glasses on how people of the past approach this is silly. Infanticide was widely practiced prior to modern history. Some estimates put it at 50% for distant eras. The preciousness of children is a modern invention.

So guessing they would care about a miscarriage, then? No?

I don't get why your downvoting me, I agree with you that people shouldn't be as upset over marriages.

What I disagree on is that miscarriages ever had anything to do with genetic compatibility. You're going to have to present scientific evidence if you want to make that claim. It sounds like you just made it up to be honest.

Edit: wouldn't care, not would care.

[–] Clent@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's the part you think I made up?

I'll admit I can't source that one, most of the studies are on cousin fucking but it would reason the most genetically diverse a couple is the less common abnormalities.

And if people were killing their viable births why would they fret over the non-viable ones?

I am claiming that the reason people get upset about them now is because the process is highly planned and they are highly invested in the outcome.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And if people were killing their viable births why would they fret over the non-viable ones?

That's exactly what I am saying. I put the wrong word in the last comment.

That's the part you think I made up?

I'll admit I can't source that one, most of the studies are on cousin fucking but it would reason the most genetically diverse a couple is the less common abnormalities.

First off that's not how that works. If two individuals are two far apart genetically they can't breed at all or they would have disabled or infertile offspring. That's why you can't mix random species.

Second lookup how human mating selection works. There are mechanisms in place to ensure people with the right genetic compatibility are the ones breeding. Part of this is actually making sure they are similar enough to be viable, while still having some things like the immune system be distinct. This deals with inbreeding and makes the population as a whole less susceptible to a single infectious agent. Sure this is far from bulletproof but without extensive genetic testing you're not really going to be able to do any better. There is no easy way to tell what your genetic compatibility is with someone.

There is no reason to assume they aren't compatible from a single miscarriage. Not all miscarriages are caused by genetic issues. Thanks to things like de novo mutations and cross-over each embryo has unique genetics anyway, so genetic issues in any given symbiote don't mean the couple which produced them has issues with genetic incompatibility in general. It could simply be bad luck, or many other factors like the age of the couple or exposure to radiation or environmental toxins all of which cause genetic and fertility problems.

[–] Clent@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This started specifically with a couple who had a series of miscarriages and me pontificating and the value of fertility compatibility before marriage being a thing.

There isn't a lot of good data on could find on miscarriages as percentages. A lot of it is self reporting which isn't trustworthy on this charged of a topic. It's very rare for anyone to do the testing to determine why the pregnancy failed but what I could find was quite conclusive that it's genetic incompatibility with life.

And I really don't get the point of these strong emotions that it's sometimes environmental causes, like drinking or drugs somehow makes it not directly the fault of the mother. At least genetics isn't something we control.

People are fucking weird and not in the interesting way where they are expressing a uniqueness.

Conformists need their placated reality. 🤷

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

And I really don’t get the point of these strong emotions that it’s sometimes environmental causes, like drinking or drugs somehow makes it not directly the fault of the mother. At least genetics isn’t something we control.

I never talked about drink or drugs. Are you dumb or a troll or something? Environmental toxin means pollution, and things like lead pipes that are still used all over the world. You're exposed to mutagenic agents everyday. Even without them random mutations happen anyway, like literally all the time. It's the same reason why cancer is inevitable in all animals (and similar diseases in other multicellular life). None of that is the fault of the mother.

People are fucking weird and not in the interesting way where they are expressing a uniqueness.

Conformists need their placated reality. 🤷

I actually don't understand what you are talking about now. What does this have to do with anything we have discussed? Please explain.