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[–] menemen@lemmy.world 88 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (30 children)

The main reason why I didn't want high end packages for our last car was, that I am a cheap bastard. The second reason is, that I think touchscreens in cars are one of the dumbest ideas imaginable.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 66 points 8 months ago (29 children)

There are places where touch controls make a lot of sense. Cars is not one of them.

My stove also has touch controls and I'd like a stern word with whomever designed it because it's the biggest fucking bullshit. I've burned myself on those controls, I've had the stove turn itself off and refuse to turn on again because of water splashing onto the controls, I've had it turn on and glitch out because I've cleaned it off with a slightly damp rag.

When I'm driving I absolutely don't want to dig through non-tactile menus just so I can adjust the climate or turn on my heated seat. Plus, the lack of tactility sucks for blind people. Sure blind people won't drive, but imagine having to ask the driver to change your AC for you? In the dark of winter with ice on the roads that's just horribly irresponsible of whomever designed it.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Touch controls on induction stoves do make some sense though. It simplified cleaning a lot when all you have to clean is a single large pane of glass

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think there are ways you can execute touch controls well on induction stoves, but in our case I just don't agree and overall I prefer actual tactile controls.

The controls lack tactility, so if you're blind you have no way of operating it. It's also so stupidly set up, if I want to turn the top-left plate on to max, I have to hold the power button, then select the plate, then press the minus button twice, then press the plus button once, alternatively just press the plus button 9 times. The child lock has a tendency to automatically activate after I wipe it down, so if that's engaged I have to disengage that first. Now if I were blind or visually impaired, it would be a nightmare to operate.

Before I got somewhat used to this stove I'd keep moving hot pots onto the controls. This is obviously a user error, but it makes sense because I've spent the last 20 years cooking on electric stoves. Because of the inertia in hot plates, if something is too warm you move it off the plate, usually towards you or to the side. This stove has a fairly small cooking area, so if I have something cooking on the other plate, I'll drag the pot towards me. Since it's induction I don't actually need to do this, but try to change a habit you've gotten used to by doing more or less daily for almost 20 years - it takes time.

As a result the stove would turn off, or glitch out because it doesn't handle multiple inputs, and then the controls would be too hot to touch.

None of these things would be an issue if instead of having nine buttons it had four knobs. Also I keep calling them buttons, but they're completely flat, non-tactile surfaces.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

Oof, sounds like a nightmare. I have an IKEA induction stove and it's literally just four sliders that you click where you want the heat to be. 100% power is at the right of the slider. There are a couple other buttons (multi-zone heating, timer, etc.), but you don't strictly need them.
So it's way less frustrating and I guess a bit more accessible for people with bad eyesight, but for people with zero eyesight it still doesn't work.

The only induction stoves with physical knobs I saw online were several grand. Maybe there's business to be made by selling "touch-to-physical" conversion kits for appliances... Or I guess bumpy decals would work as well.

[–] ekky@sopuli.xyz 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Agreed for induction, but I'd mich rather use one or two minutes more cleaning the knobs than having to almost cook my finger on this 60-90 degree Celcius hot conventional stove's touch surface to change the plate from step 7 to 4 for 10 FUKKEN SECONDS! OUCH!

Having to restart it 2-3 times during cooking because it got confused (pan moved slightly to the side) is also rather annoying.

Edit & tl:dr: Touch works decent on induction, just please keep it far away from any conventional stoves.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

Anyone who stills sells a conventional stove in 2024 needs to be jailed. Induction is so damn cheap now (229 € entry-level fullsize at IKEA) and better in every way that trying to sell a resistive stove else is just a scam.

[–] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 4 points 8 months ago

It simplified cleaning a lot when all you have to clean is a single large pane of glass

Alternatively, a combined oven+stove unit where the knobs are on the front panel and can be pushed in when not in use. That way you have a single pane of glass and knobs that aren't an annoyance when cleaning.

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