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FACT CHECK 2/5
...and yet still a bug (I saw at least one other person point this out to you)
A few years ago, there was a Microsoft feature intended for people in China, but people who weren't in China were getting that behaviour. i.e. a bug. It was documented and a deliberate design choice for people in China, but if you weren't in China then it's a bug. Just documenting a design choice doesn't mean bugs don't happen. A calculator giving a wrong answer is a bug
Based on the comments in the above video, the opposite is true - this problem first arose in '96
So the person programming it is far more likely to need to check their Maths first - bingo!
...and some that use both! i.e. some follow Terms but not The Distributive Law. As I said to begin with, these are 2 DIFFERENT rules, and you can't just lump them together as one
Which is correct, as per Terms
What you mean is they evaluate it as 1/2xX, since 1/2X and 1/(2X) are the same thing
No, not necessary, since 2a=(2xa) by definition, alluded to in Cajori in 1928...
...follow all the rules of Maths, always. There's something to be said for making sure you're doing it right. :-)
...and they will actually remove brackets I have put in and replace them with their own ("hi" to all the people who say you can fix any calculator by "just add more brackets" - Google doesn't CARE what brackets you've added!)
It's not, because a ÷ isn't a fraction bar. They're joining 2 terms into one and thus sometimes changing the answer
It's not that they don't allow it, it's that it's not provided with the language by default in the first place! Most languages only provide you with some numbers, operators, and a few functions (like round), and it's up to the programmer to implement the rest. Welcome to why there are so many wrong e-calculators
...which is a red flag to not use that calculator!
I'm not sure it does. I'd have to switch on "strong juxtaposition" (the only kind there is) and see what else has been disobeyed in Maths. e.g. Google removing my brackets and adding different ones
I find any exceptions to following the rules of Maths surprising! No, you can't just make up your own rules
a/bc=a/(bc) in every textbook
Welcome to "we're gonna add brackets to what you typed in and change the answer"
...then that means it's not "multiplication" - it's Terms and/or The Distributive Law. The "M" in the mnemonics refers literally to multiplication signs, nothing else
Yep, and The Distributive Law and Factorising are the inverse of each other
...and Brackets is always first, so in this case it doesn't even matter
Yes they do - mnemonics represent the actual order of operations rules
No, they won't. Year 8 is the last time order of operations is taught, and they have been taught everything they need to know about it by then
...and yet have you not noticed that teenagers almost never get this wrong - only adults do
...is a totally valid thing to do. The problem is people classifying Distribution (Brackets/Parentheses with a coefficient) as "Multiplication", when there's literally no multiplication sign
No they don't. Maths is universal
It's all based on definitions and proofs, which are immutable
You can find them in any high school textbook in your country (notation varies by country, but the rules don't)
"implicit multiplication" doesn't appear in any Maths textbooks
Yes it is clear (as I think I saw someone already point out here)
I saw the man with the telescope - the man has the telescope
I saw the man, with the telescope - I saw the man through a telescope
I saw the man through the telescope - I saw the man through a telescope
But there are proofs! (There you go again with the "there is no..." red flag) Order of operations proof