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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 197 points 8 months ago (23 children)

If it needs someone’s cloud servers to function, you don’t really own it.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 130 points 8 months ago (17 children)

We need consumer protections here, though.

Like 10 year money back guarantee or something. If the device becomes unusable due to actions outside of the device owners control, those in control should be obligated to reimburse.

Not doing so opens the doors to racketeering.

[–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 27 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I don't think we need to set a global minimum date, but the manufacturer should have to put a date on the box. If they don't support the device up to that date (including security updates and maintaining any required cloud services) then the consumer gets a full refund with possibly additional damages.

I think of it like the digital version of a nutrition facts table.

[–] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Good idea. If we do this and also add some sort of positive label on devices that work locally and are interoperable it might start a positive feedback loop: More people become aware of the issue or simply want the device with the better label when choosing in a store, leading to more manufacturers producing more devices that aren't cloud-dependent.

Right now I often see the opposite happening: Manufacturers who don't even put on their packaging that their system is really just Zigbee under the hood for example.

[–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

Yeah. For sure. If your device doesn't depend on a cloud service you can put that on your label and it is basically a gold star.

Although even local devices should get security updates. The radios and the firmware speaking the ZigBee protocol can have vulnerabilities.

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