The problem doesn't stem from their critical thinking skills, but rather, a combination of indoctrination and religious beliefs which cause a series of presuppositions to supersede the conclusions the rest of us have taken as presuppositions.

In some sense I admire their dedication to challenge established facts about reality, that should be done in general.

To clarify the statement about indoctrination and religion: many people are not aware that flat earthers are religious wackjobs. Their thought process is as follows:

"If the universe contains trillions of celestial bodies and they're all spherical, then we are inconsequential. It must be the case that we are special, and earth is not a sphere, but is flat."

Some flat earthers will claim space doesn't exist, even though their bible tells them God created other planets.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Well, Columbus, Galilei, Kepler & co. challenged what was considered "established fact" about the shape and place of the earth in their times.

It is not wrong to challenge what is considered "established facts". Problem is when you discard results that are going against your preoposition. I wouldn't consider flat earthers to be particular religious as a crowd though. At least in my country they mostl come from the esoteric scene, where you get a mixed bowl of esoteric nonsene, conspiracy theories, and fascist ideology.

[–] FilterItOut@thelemmy.club 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

One thing to point out is that Columbus wasn't challenging established thinking about the earth's shape, but rather its size. The educated populace at the time was on the ball with the earth being a sphere.

[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 30 points 8 months ago

And the critics of Columbus WERE RIGHT! He was vastly underestimating the size of the earth. If North America hadn't existed and it had just been one big ocean, he and the expedition would have perished in the middle of nowhere. Of course, the size had been calculated before his expedition (the actual values turned out be extremely close to what had been calculated), so he should have known better. There's a reason he had trouble getting funding for his expedition...

I'm still somewhat frustrated that our history classes taught (maybe still do, I've been out of high school a long time) that all the naysayers thought the earth was flat.

[–] bigpEE@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

My recollection is that Columbus was also wrong about its size. He thought the distance from Europe to Asia via the Atlantic was much smaller than it really is, but got lucky and found the Americas on the way

[–] Enkrod@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago

Meh, our esoterics are basically religious anarchists or spiritual hippies. They still fall into all the trapping of religion without the "organized" part of "organized religion".