He's a far cry from it for certain, but he shares a considerable amount of responsibility for what is occurring in Gaza that a lot of people feel uncomfortable with that.

I'm sure some people have already forgotten because China and Russia recently vetoed the last conflict resolution proposed in the U.N. but don't let that stop you from remembering that our U.N. ambassador, appointed by the President who can revoke that appointment, issued multiple vetoes against multiple Gaza conflict resolution proposals previously.

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago

Every president since Eisenhower shares responsibility for what is happening in Gaza, but that doesn’t mean we vote for the end of democracy in the US.

Biden calls for ceasefire while still supplying Israel = bad

Trump says Israel would finish the job under his administration = magnitudes worse, the fucker is a few syllables away from literally saying final solution

[–] jettrscga@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

It's not an accident that people suddenly care so much about US foreign policy when it's convenient to bash Biden before an election. It's a very concerted propaganda effort on social media that you're either intentionally or unintentionally a part of.

Before the last election Trump tried to extort Ukraine by withholding military aid unless Ukraine helped investigate his political opponent, Biden.

I don't agree with what's happening in Israel/Palestine either, but I'm more concerned at how often it's being used as this "trump card" to lower Biden to Trump's level. It's still not remotely close.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I really dislike how this always comes down to whataboutism.

I already consider Biden to be the lesser of the two evils here. That doesn't mean I have to look away from his actions though, nor does it mean I have to support them.

[–] jettrscga@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The Gaza example was already whataboutism. I only bring up the Trump example to emphasize that we already have historical evidence that he won't handle Ukraine or Gaza any better than Biden has. He only uses those situations to benefit himself.

I agree that being the lesser of two evils doesn't absolve Biden's part in it, but I hope you reconsider supporting him. As frustrating as it is that neither is perfect, it doesn't help anyone to allow an even worse candidate to win in protest.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

How was it whataboutism? I didn't see anyone comparing him to Trump when I was replying. Hitler is absolutely not the any kind of standard that we should be comparing most politicians to hopefully. I'm also painfully aware that Trump is far worse in regards to foreign policy. I can imagine him offering further support to Israel even.

Look. I've already resolved to vote for Biden. There really isn't much choice, but that doesn't mean I have to ignore what he's responsible for. Nor should history forget it either. If that somehow hinders his campaign, then so be it. Anyone who votes for Biden without these considerations is an accessory to the genocide though.

[–] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 7 points 8 months ago

You can have genocide in Gaza, or you can have genocide in Gaza and ("stepping-stone") Ukraine. Its an unfortunate choice, but an important one nonetheless. If im harping on a moot point to you bc you already know this, rest assured i say this for all other readers as well. Your votes down ballot are also extremely valuable. This primary there was a referendum in my county that I was in favor of that passed by less than 100 votes.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don’t agree with what’s happening in Israel/Palestine either, but I’m more concerned at how often it’s being used as this “trump card” to lower Biden to Trump’s level. It’s still not remotely close.

(Holds up mirror)

[–] jettrscga@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There probably isn't a single politician that I fully agree with.

There are different levels of disagreement and what I'm pointing out is people trying to use Gaza as a way to fully discredit Biden as a candidate because they have no other scandals to use against him.

[+] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You're more concerned with how this will affect Biden than the actual genocide itself? That's what I'm pointing out you saying in your comment.

[–] jettrscga@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

No, I'm more concerned with how the entire world will be impacted by electing Trump again. What's happening in Gaza will continue to happen whether we elect Biden or Trump.

Trump on Gaza:

“You’ve got to finish the problem,” Trump said on Fox News on Tuesday when asked about the war. “You had a horrible invasion that took place that would have never happened if I was president.”

He said on Oct. 11 that a future Trump administration would “fully support Israel defeating, dismantling, and permanently destroying the terrorist group Hamas,”

That month, his campaign also said that, if elected again, he would bar Gaza residents from entering the U.S. as part of an expanded travel ban.

Suggesting that the Gaza situation is a dealbreaker for Biden is trying to hold him to a higher standard than anyone holds Trump, and that higher standard by itself tells you who the better candidate is.