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The UN is a captured organization. It no longer serves its purpose, and is now an arm of the oil producing countries state departments more than anything. I don't have a good suggestion for what to replace it with but it's sure AF not worthy of being respected any longer.
The UN's purpose is
"To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;"- United Nations Charter, Chapter I: Article 1: Section 1
the other sections reference international friendship and equal rights, but section 1 is the meat f why it exists, the UN was created after two World Wars, it's primary goal is to prevent a third and has so far been overwhelmingly successful.
I don't think peace through submission was the original goal here though is the point
Kinda was. That's why the UK and France have a permanent seat on the UNSC but Germany and Japan categorically do not.
Yeah peace through making the bad guys submit. Not rolling over and just letting them take whatever they want because "well if we actually did anything it would cause a scene"
Like a cop seeing someone break a law and going "wow that sure sounds like a lot of paperwork" and them walking away
We've avoided world wars by allowing conflicts to fester around the globe. I'd be curious whether the death toll would be higher had there been a world war, but I guess there's still plenty of people left to die in forgotten places like Sudan so the calculation will have to wait.
Pretty sure the fallout from WW3 is gonna hurt everyone everywhere...war in Sufan is still a pretty long way off from a death toll in the billions.
I'd rather the assholes of the world think they're accomplishing something by writing bullshit resolutions rather than dropping bombs.
We just have to not take the UN seriously while still having the authoritarian assholes think the UN is serious business.
The Security Council is the only thing that ever really mattered anyway. Having the nuclear powers have to sit in a room together is important. The General Assembly has always been a clown show.
We have a bunch of alliances between democracies (NATO and other alliances) and the security council because we have to negotiate with the authoritarians with nukes. The minor despots can have the UN General Assembly to clown around in. Better to have petty narcissistic dictators throw their tantrums in the UN GA rather than expressing their feelings with their military.
Did it ever serve it's purpose?
I'm young and ignorant, so I don't know what I'm talking about and I'd be open to anyone posting any links for me to learn from. But I remember being in middle and high-school 20 years ago, and learning about the UN's "millennium goals" that they were trying to achieve by 2015. And they were... awesome. Like the real definition of awesome. They were awe-inspiring. And they made me hopeful as a young teen. And I remember when 2015 came and went and they hadn't even come close to meeting those goals. And I remember thinking, okay, well, they'll keep trying. But they didn't keep trying, and in fact I never heard anyone talk about the millennium goals ever again. And then 2016 came, and at least from my American-centric viewpoint, the world has been on a rapid decline since then. And I am honestly so hopeless, like rock bottom hopless, like, I don't know what the future is gonna be, but i can't imagine a good one if we stay on this path, and I don't know what to do, because I'm not a world leader.
I used to have so much respect and admiration for the UN but they're just as garbage as every other power in the world. This post is a fucking joke. My ex partner is from Saudi. I remember excitedly asking him about his opinion and his families opinion when women were first given permission to drive and he was DISGUSTED. Said "this should have happened ages ago, Saudi is using this as a PR move, why should we be happy that women are just now getting this right?"
Anyway. Sorry for the long response to your sarcastic comment. Have a good day. Xoxo.
Sorry that your faith in supranational organisations was so thoroughly squashed. It do be like that though. For a little while, Truman hoped that all nuclear weapons could be put under the control of the UN. Then that went belly up when the soviet union under Stalin learned how to build them. Theres always the IAEA though.
Truman never wanted that. He flew around knowing that his nukes gave him an advantage over the USSR. From this paper, it is clear that Truman wanted to maintain an atomic monopoly and as for Joint Chiefs of Staff, they didn't want to share the nuclear secrets with any organization including the UN.
No third world war yet. So i assume yes.
That is an incredibly low bar to judge any organization. There are multiple conflicts going around the world that UN has done nothing to do. When it comes to permanent members of the Security council, the UN is powerless. Heck, it is powerless if one of the permanent members decides to flex it's muscles somewhere else geographically either.
Also, no world war is also largely due to presence of nukes with nations. The concept of Mutually Assured Destruction prevents nations from going into full blown wars when 2 nuclear powers are involved.
The UN has the power the nations want to give it. And for now, its this. Dont complain about the UN, complain about our governments
The whole point was a united nation front to avoid another Nazi war, but they gave the blue hats no teeth. It served purpose for purpose sake but no real action
At one point I'm sure it was helpful to someone. Now it's just a weapon the oil producing countries plus China of the world wield against the rest.
Any Expanse fans? We need James Holden to stick his dick in it.